As of now, yes, of the young players. But it's not like FVV is 37 or something. FVV and Alpi play extremely well together - like we would have hoped Jalen would, with Alpi. FVV unlocks and complements our franchise player the best.
There's like 20 years of data, it's called: every lead ball handler that ever played for Mike D'Antoni. It is 1000% the coach's job to get the players the easiest possible shot. I can't even fathom a coach saying to GM: yeah I can get him easier shots but that's not my job. They do it for MVP candidates so surely you do it for your 4th year high value prospect. This is not babying a player. Babying a player is when you shut up while they shoot 20 shots a game poorly.
Mathloom, I love you dearly, but I am gonna give Ime Udoka the benefit of the doubt over Jalen Green. I’m sorry while simultaneously not being sorry about that at all. I sincerely hope he’s everything you say he is….but if that doesn’t happen, you’re gonna be hard-pressed to convince me that’s because Ime Udoka can’t coach up a player.
That wasn't the point of my post, we were talking theoretically about a coach's job. As for Udoka, he hasn't been a better offensive coach than any predecessor or successor he's ever had in the NBA. I believe in him as a elite young coach but his offenses have been a mess. Ask a Celtics fan if it helps. He flat out admitted the old offense was unfair to Jalen and wasn't playing you everyone's strengths. He held himself accountable for that. I'm not saying anything he doesn't agree with. But now that you're jumping on the Udoka bandwagon - which I've been begging everyone to do - how do you interpret him saying it clicked for Jalen and any coach would be lucky to have him and Sengun? Are we saying that's the only time we don't take his word for things? It's all love Max, I know you're always coming from a good place.
I love Ime….loved him when he was in Boston. I trust the guy a ton…maybe not as much as I trust you, but still.
You won't hear an argument from me there. I've been lobbying for him since 2018 before he was ever made a HC. I believe in him 100% to lead this team. Doesn't mean he can't make a mistake is all I'm saying. Same here brother, I trust your opinion even beyond basketball.
so Ime's fault Jalen chucked 9 3 pointers in 20 mins only made 3. And 75% of his total shots was 3 pointer. What's the point of his athlecism if he can't attack the rim more maybe Ime and his coaching staff convinced Jalen is the closest thing to Steph Curry
Dude I didn't say that and it's been a few times you radically exaggerate some stuff like this. I meant what I said as I wrote it with the responsibility apportioned in detail. If what you understood from that is "it's all Ime's fault" then you won't understand my subsequent posts either so what's the point discussing it.
okay Ime and coaching staff has to always remind Jalen that he's not an above average 3 pointer and lecture him about having a better shot selection/diet every game
Okay, but is Jalen a "high value prospect"? I think at this point, no matter what PR nonsense they say in the press, the team is closer to getting out of the Jalen Green business than they are looking to stick with him long term. The reason for that is that he has such a low BBIQ, rarely plays any defense at all, isn't a lead guard, and STILL can't reliably shoot a basketball.....a pretty necessary skill for a SHOOTING GUARD. Could he turn it all around? Sure. Anything is possible....but at a certain point, you have to start prioritizing the guys who are actually good rather than trying to force the Jalen thing.
Hey man, it's ok if you misunderstand me. I'm not going to go dig up posts and debate things I already wrote in plain English like ten minutes ago. You're free to go back and read more carefully or you can not care at all. But this is not a discussion for me. Happy to talk about something you believe in.
Really. Looking at each possession Jalen made the correct read most of the night. They are clearly sagging off and protecting the rim and this makes the correct read much more often than not the pull-up3. Play 1, chet sags and dort fights over the screen, pull up 3 is correct. Brick Play 2, pull up middy is the correct read. I think i prefer the pass to dillon and Harden likely tries to make the pocket pass to sengun but the paint has 3 defenders. Brick Play 3, you can argue just resetting the possession and id likely agree. Brick Play 4, correct read and pass. Basket Play 5, great pace to slow and make the correct pass. Basket Play 6, his worst shot and decision. Kind of lost the dribble and got stuck and threw it up. Much prefer a pass here but nobody is moving to get open or to help him. Brick Play 7, again correct read. They sagged and defended the drive and fought over the top. Correct pull up 3 read. Brick Play 8, evenly correct read on either the pull up or pass to amen. Made the 3 Play 9, again correct read as they sagged off and fought over. Made the 3 Play 10, catch and shoot 3 wide open. Correct Play 11, correct read. Terrible pick by sengun and great contest by dort. Brick Play 12, I would love a pocket pass here. Incorrect read imo. You got the switch, find sengun or dont just instantly pull up and try and penetrate. Play 13, had bari wideeee open. 2nd worst read of the night imo. Brick
Which is why he shouldn't have the ball in his hands, when the "correct read" is something he can't do, the defense already won. It's why when he had his 8 game hot shooting streak his 47% 3 point shooting opened up the rest of his game. When he can hit shots, he can be amazing, but he's never learned how to consistently shoot a basketball. His first preseason game reminded me a lot of Gerald Green. He started off awful, then got incredibly hot from 3 and that really lifted the team while it lasted. IMO that's why I see him as more of a 6th man off the bench. You can get those random hot streaks helping you win games, and you can banish him back to the bench when he's not hot so he doesn't hurt the team so much.
Thank you for the post. tallking about basketball like this is a lot more fun than arguing about players potentials etc. Here are the ones I disagree: Play 2: Pass to dillon for an open 3 or hockey pass to amen. Both are more efficient plays. The thing that bothers me here, he gets the help defense and disturbs chet. Mission accomplished, use your advantage. If you are going to go a for a middie with players closing on you, the pnr becomes inefficient. Play 8: Again, you got the help defense. With 12 seconds left there should be a better shot than shooting over chet. Pass to dillon and an open corner 3 for bari. Play 11: I think green starts moving too early before the pick is set. Generally, I see a lack of evaluation of options after getting helped, doubled, or using the pick.
so just give a 33% 3 point shooter free reign to heave 9 3 point attempts (and only 3 non 3 pt attempts) in 20 minutes is the best offense? whats even jabari, dillon, and alpi there for
I mentioned as much on play 2. So no big disagreement from me there. Play 8 idkmaybe those are also good optio s but I think he did well to get there and all options would be good. So it passes my read check. On 11 he very well could have moved early also. Prolly a bit of both.
Which is why him being 35+ is so important. Such a boring conversation with everyone around here. No actual dialogue and discussion. Its just %s this or %s that. Its a meaningless preseason game where they were letting him run a lot of the point. Im trying to discuss his vision and whether or not hes making the correct reads. I dont care that he was 3 of 9 so much in this isolated game. Ill care about 33% 20 games in when there is a sample size of note. Edit: inb4 boobi says we have 3 yrs of data
