Preseason championship this time fellas. Cam has to redeem himself from that 0-15 game. bring back the merch @Salvy
The most important quote to me of this training camp/offseason has been Jalen's "If I go 3 for 17 or whatever how else can I help my team win". So I got curious to see exactly how many times he shot under 40% from the field last year. 40 times. Good for 49% of his starts. By comparison a year 4 Devin Booker shot that low 18 times out of 64 starts. 28%. SGA, who is the standard right now by which a SG should be measured, was 5/35 his 3rd year for 14% of his games and last year a staggering 5/75 times. Good for 6% of this games. Booker this past year did it 16 times. The Rockets can't endure Jalen shooting 17 times a game if he's going to make 3 -4 shots every other game. This simply cant happen and I'm not sure what contingency plans are in place if it does.
I think if you already don't like a player for whatever reason you can hyper analyze a quote to trigger your predisposed hate for said player. All he said there was essentially " even on bad shooting nights, I still want to be positively impactful to my team" . All he acknowledged there is that he will have bad shooting nights.... Like literally every player in the NBA. He WILL have games where he shoots poorly. Every single high usage NBA player has bad shooting nights. He's just reffering to those specific nights he doesn't want to be only useful when he's shooting well. That's all he meant.
Yup, either by finally learning to shoot a ball, or learning that his mindless chucking hurts the team
Sounds like a recipe for him getting blocked at the rim more oftenand turning the ball over more. His issue isn't volume, it's that he's not good.
He doesn't have SGA's guile, Ja's quickness, or Brunson/Cades body to bump people off. He also just isn't crafty at the rim like Harden was or even Amen is today. To this day Jalen's only real NBA skill is his first step. Beyond that it's YOLO ball. I can't imagine him shooting under 40% half the time again but who knows.
I don't see where Amen is more crafty at the rim than Jalen. Like what are you referring to specifically? I feel like there are like 4 dudes on this message board that circle jerk unhinged takes about Green with you, @bustamove, @Bobbythegreat etc. Also saying that Jalen Green is bad at getting to the rim because he isn't as quick as Ja or as crafty as SGA doesn't say anything. You are expressing the most extreme traits in the NBA. Ja is the quickest players in the NBA. SGA is up there with Luka as one of the most crafty deepest bags in the NBA. Cade? The dude who has a career 60% fg% from 0-3 ft when Jalen is at 68% for his career? And speaking of Amen, last season Jalen and Amen were 1% apart in fg% from 0-3 ft. And that's with a significantly larger portion of Amen's attempts at that range are high percentage put backs or open cuts at the rim from being in the dunker spot. A significantly larger portion of Jalen's fg attempts at the rim were from attacking set defenses and still there is only a 1% gap in efficiency from 0-3 ft.
I assume the contingency plan is probably Cam as more of an off ball complimentary player which means FVV & Sengun have to be the primary table setters. Also possible one of Amen or Shepard gets a look. @MystikArkitect 's point is the same one I've been hammering home all offseason. Jalen has far too many poor shooting games and the numbers above show he isn't in line with his peers in that regard. 43 games - 51% of the season where he shot a combined 17.5% from 3. 40 times shooting less than 40% from the floor overall. That's just not acceptable for a team trying to win from the highest volume shooter on the team.
Sounds so simple bit it isn't realistic when teams back off of him, packing the paint and buckle down on the other 4 dudes on the floor - you are asking him to pass up an open look for a contested one. The best thing he can do on those nights he's not shooting well is take a seat .... otherwise he's killing the spacing with his impersonation of Westbrook ....
What's funny is that i know in your heart of hearts, you know that you're the extremist here and calling others unhinged is merely a coping mechanism
Are you purposefully misinterpreting @MystikArkitect here in bad faith? If you and I agree that Jalen needs to be more efficient this season, then ask yourself where the disagreement here is. Go through what he said specifically. He's saying he is upset that Jalen Green said that "even on bad shooting nights he wants to be positively impactful". @MystikArkitect got out of that "Jalen plans on being as inefficient as his previous seasons". That is a bad faith interpretation of what Jalen Green said to fuel his uncanny and weird hatred of Green. And another thing I need to get off my chest. Do any of you people ever have done any physical competitive action that requires reputation? A athlete playing a sport never thinks about "being more efficient". Their training and reps in game are what they believe will make them efficient. But thinking about "being efficient" is a detriment to being efficient. Just like thinking about turnovers is a detriment to ball security. The more you think about being efficient or not turning the ball over the less you employ your muscle memory and training and the more you second guess decisions which cascades into bad shooting or high turnovers. This goes for almost any athletic competition. A QB thinking about the interceptions while playing is going to cause more interceptions. With how fast windows close against NFL defenses, the moment you second guess whether the throw is safe or not the higher you increase you chances of being sacked or intercepted. Jalen Green as a NBA player has to enter games not worrying about 3-17 shooting nights. What he has to do to be more efficient is hope his training in being more balanced with his shots and all the reps he accumulated will naturally improve his efficiency. If it doesn't, it doesn't, and he's not on the team anymore. But NBA players never improve their efficiency by thinking about efficiency. They improve their efficiency through training and reps. You do not want Jalen Green worried about his shooting numbers entering games. In fact we literally saw him do that last season. I hope people actually watched the games last season and saw from his worst stretches in January and February just HOW MANY TIMES he second guessed a move which cascaded into being off time and either turning the ball over or bricking. The last thing you want a player struggling with efficiency to do is worry about efficiency. You HOPE the training and reps naturally will improve the efficiency.
You understand that a lot of the NBA shot tracker data is heavily flawed. They count step backs as "wide open". NBA defenders at most might go under screen instead of over screen or the big in a pnr coverage plays drop coverage. But you are teaming it in a sense that they guard Jalen like they guard Amen. NBA defenses are afraid of Green's streakiness. Unlike there is the fear of Green going hot so NBA defenses aren't playing him like they played peak Westbrook or current Amen.
Are you intentionally misinterpreting what I type? If I believe Jalen Green needs to improve his efficiency this season, then you obviously are misinterpreting what I'm saying either in a trollish manner or sincerely but knowing your posting history, insincerely is my bet.
Pretty much. It's his acceptance of like "yeah sometimes I'm gonna go 3 for 17..." like no dude. You can no longer continue to go 3 for 17 every other game just because you do the other things that you're always supposed to do. I'm guessing it'll be Amen replacing him because Cam simply isn't ready. I trust Jalen right now with the ball in his hands more than Cam. Reed's not ready and frankly can't share the court with Fred anyway. FVV/Amen/Dillon/Jabari/Sengun is fine as a contingency plan but they'd need to deal Jalen + whatever at the deadline for a real 3 and D shooting guard if we get another typical Jalen Green season. Let's hope it doesn't resort to that.
@Corrosion Do you see what I mean? He's attributing a rather benign statement from Green as his him accepting this precious three seasons of efficiency. All Green said was "even on bad shooting nights I want to be a positive impact player". And this goes to what I said earlier that if Jalen Green becomes more efficient it's through the many reps of his past 3 years and off season training. It has nothing to do with him entering games with the mindset of "not shooting bad". Thing about "not shooting bad" makes people shoot bad. It creates moments of hesitation that remove the many hours of training to get muscle memory. You rely on your training to hopefully improve your efficiency.
No doubt Jalen must improve his shot selection and efficiency or he's gone. I think in his mind, he's a superstar and tries to play like one. Instead, he should play more within his actual abilities and better shot the selection is the fastest route to do this. Hopefully last season was enough to reprogram his mindset.
