Many American and European Jewish people consider themselves both Jewish by ethnicity and / or religion. Many follow Reform Judaism and have no problem marrying outside their religion and certainly no problem living in amongst non Jews. For example Kamala Harris’ husband is a practicing Jew. There are Orthodox Jews that live by choice in enclaves such as Lubavitchers in NYC but they are a minority of American Jewish people.
You're using a vague word here ("many") so yes obviously there's many. However, as I said the majority do not. They are by far the most self-segregated racial group in America. Other races live in cantons because they're poor. Jews are looking to expand Jewish neighborhoods and"many" are buying off cops to treat them favorably in their neighborhoods and creating neighborhood patrols to monitor Jewish law in their neighborhoods. If you open their holy book you understand why. They have a duty to respect others but ultimately they believe God prefers them. Mass murder of their ppl by Hitler made them more segregationist than ever. The exceptions you're talking about don't change the whole. Edit: sorry I just noticed your ridiculous first sentence. A person of European origin who doesn't practice Judaism is not Jewish in any way. To be Jewish you have to practice it. To be ethnically Jewish you have to be from the land of Palestine or Israel. Those people are European immigrants, nothing more.
I’ve known many Jewish people my whole life having lived next to them, worked with them and even dated them. Your description of American Jews doesn’t fit with my experience Or likely the experience of most Americans. It sounds like you’re applying your own definition of who qualifies as a Jew. I’m going off of people who self identify as Jews.
It's because we don't define things by who you or I dated or met. We apply the same rules to everyone in the world. If a German came and told me he's Arab because his dad practiced Islam briefly, we would laugh at that. This is why they banned DNA testing in Israel. They know it. Everyone knows it.
No, cultural Jews and practicing Jews belong to the same group of people. Its just that in English language there isn't a word that seperates the two (ethnically/people and religion) except for "cultural Jew". You can be atheist and a Jew at the same time.
Judaism is both ethnicity and religion. An ethnic German who practiced Islam might not be an Arab but would be a Muslim. Anyway I do find it interesting when people not of a group decide who should be in that group. I’m not a Jew ethnically or religiously. It would be pretty presumptuous of me to go around telling people like Alex Bregman that he isn’t Jewish.
Mathloom is clueless and an idiot and an Islamist sympathizer who masks his Jew hate and America hate and lack of understanding of the world by writing endless novels.
That's right, just like Arabs, an Arab from Saudi Arabia and Jordan are the same ethnicity in different countries. You can be a Christian Arab, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic etc. That doesn't change someone's ethnicity. He's just trying to say that the Jews are religion only.
I'm not clear. He was talking about DNA test so he might also mean ethnicity. Either way though his descriptions of American Jews doesn't match the experience of most Americans.
No, he's trying to say that the Jews are Europeans and that there isn't a connection between a German Jew and a French Jew ethnicity wise, only religion wise. Like there's no connection between a Polish Catholic and a Mexican Catholic ethnicity wise, only by religion. But thats not true.
Judaism can be two things, but a person who neither practices Judaism nor has any genetic links to Palestine/Israel is simply not a Jew. That's a European immigrant who's family used to practice Judaism. I don't decide who should be in a group, that between them. I'm telling them what they can't force on me. Same way I respect the transgender community but you are not getting me to call you something no one believes. I'll call you something true and respectful. Nope that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying to be Jewish you have to be one or both: Practicing Jew Genetically from Israel/Palestine You can't be an Arab if you're genetically from Europe. Arab is a race, you can't change it by moving somewhere. You can't be a Muslim if you don't practice. That's a religion. This is standard like any ethnicities and religions. It's the same rules for everyone. If you're genetically from Eastern Europe and you don't practice Judaism, I don't care what your parents prayed to you're not Jewish. If you're genetically Kenyan and don't practice any religion, you are just Kenyan. You might live somewhere else. You might have a different nationality. But you can't start practicing Judaism and start acting like you have a claim to Palestinien/Israeli land. You can't stop being black. If your DNA test says you're some kind of European and you are an atheist > there is no path to say you're a Jew. Why is Israel the only country in the world DNA tests are illegal? Because these truths are inconvenient to Western brainwashing. I see it has worked on many of you. Native Jews have always and will always be welcome with Arabians. The only time they were in danger in Palestine was when a British puppet leader of Palestine - who befriended Hitler - mistreated them. The other time they were unsafe is when the Jewish terrorist groups which formed the Israeli government (Haganah, Irgun, Lehi terrorists) committed terrorist attacks on their fellow Jews in Arab countries to convince them they need to move to Israel. These are all documented.
Arabs are not a race, they're an ethnic group, connected by the language, similar roots, culture (in many instances but not a given- same applies to religion). There are plenty of Arabic Christians, and atheists. Jews are an ethnic group as well. Arabs are the same thing in Northern Africa n the middle east as the Slavs are in Europe ( in the sense of ethnicity), all the way from Russia to Slovenia. But Arabs are way more connected than them because they don't even speak the same language.
Hahaha ok let me ditch the definitions we use here in ARABIA and use yours. So you wanna go this route? First of all, you can't change your ethnicity either. It's congenital. It's still DNA. A Caucasian ethnicity cannot simultaneously be a Jewish ethnicity. You can be a mix, but you cannot be fully both. You are one or the other. I think what's confusing you here is you believed the myth the European Jews were Semitic Jews and then they intermarried with Europeans so now they just look a little European. They're not. Those are just European converts. They are Jewish by religion only and when they drop the religion, they remain European. Second of all, guess what race that makes Arabs according to white man dichotomy? We're Semitic so stop calling us anti-semitic, K? These people have really done a number on you guys.
Just to add on. Orthodox Jews do not accept converts into "orthodox" Judaism. You can convert, but only be accepted to a conservative or reformed congregation.
Bro they're a group of people with the same/similar roots no matter where they're from. Just like Anglo-Saxons, Slavs, Arabs etc. You can seperate 'em by nationality, religion, language etc. Just like many of them are, but it doesn't change the fact that they have the same or similar roots. I think that's what you're not comprehending. When they've lived in Europe they were called Judah, and they were easily spotted as most of 'em looked different than most of the locals.
I understand what you are saying - but in the case of Jews, many of them had married non-Jewish Germans... so you had people that were 1/4 or 1/2 Jewish and didn't even view themselves as Jewish in some cases. So even in Germany there was acculturation taking place. Agree on Roma people (Gypsies). Funny thing is that a lot of European men lust after Roma women but won't marry them. I dated a Roma woman once, the amount of pressure they get to not date outside their group is insane. She thought her family would kill me or her if they found out. She was a lot of fun though.
Yea, Europeans think its beneath 'em to marry a gypsy. Something they don't do, and if someone did, he or she becomes known for it like if you were describing someone - do you know @ATW- no, the guy who married a gypsy, - o yes I do
Not really. That is the case with African Americans. However in the United States, except for new immigrants, people don't really live in separate neighborhoods. There are not Chinese American neighborhoods, Polish neighborhoods, Vietnamese neighborhoods etc. in most of America beyond like the first or second generation. For example, Italians and Irish and Vietnamese, Asian Americans, Middle Easterners etc. largely live next to each other - and any strata is based on finances more than anything. There are still areas that are predominantly black - especially in cities like Chicago. There are also areas that are predominantly Hispanic - but that is primarily new immigrants, you will find Mexicans living everywhere - including wealthy areas. Not in the USA. Most Jews in the United States do not live in Jewish neighborhoods. There were Jewish neighborhoods in Chicago like 100 years ago, and there are areas that used to be Jewish - but most Jews live in the neighborhoods that correlate to their relative wealth, and they live next to a diverse group of other people. Jews in the United States are in general not very religious in the USA and other than Orthodox Jews, many of them marry Christians ... Atheists, etc. In areas like NYC I am sure there are areas that have historically Jewish, but that is even fading away. The vast majority of Jews in the United States are not very religious or political. They may support Israel from a far (a lot don't), but they are usually from Europe 60-100 years ago. Many are Eastern European by origin but you would never know they were Jewish based on a 30 minute conversation. Are the Jews in Israel more zealous? Yeah, at least some of them are - they have moved to and live in what they define as a Jewish nation. However, even some Israeli's I know are not very religious or interested in any religious wars. Yes - there are some Jews that look down upon other Jews that are not as rabid about Israel or the Jewish identity. However - from my perspective I do not have a lot of interactions with these people. I have met some, they are similar to some of the White South Afrikans I met years ago. FWIW - I have had this same conversation about Arab Muslims in the USA. By and large, there are no real issues with Arabs in the United States. You will hear stories of extremism, but it is a very small minority. There are a lot of atheist Arab Americans that have a background in Islam. Many of them even celebrate Christmas. By the third or fourth generation, Arab Americans have largely intermarried or are so secular that no one would know they were even Arab. In Europe I hear it is much different. I have been all over the world - and the USA certainly has problems - but the melting pot in the USA is unique.
