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The Hezbollah - Israel War

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Jun 19, 2024.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    Israel is NOT like Iran. Stop mentioning them as if this were a "both sides" thing, morally.

    The people of Iran are largely quite educated and good. Their government is pure evil.

    Israel is a highly educated democracy, with Western values.
     
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    @Deckard will want to see this guy in jail now.
     
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    Leftist media is evil.

     
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    Israel has gone into Lebanon multiple times
    In the last few decades and it hasn’t gone that well for Israel. This is all just part of a continuing cycle of endless war.
     
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    You sound sad that Israel is winning.
     
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    I don't want to get into the "Race Olympics" - as it is stupid.

    As far as Israel making itself the most powerful nation in the region - they certainly are when it comes to intelligence, weapons and the air. They are not when it comes to extended ground war. Israel can thank the United States for being their fortunes when it comes to military prowess.

    I have many friends that happen to be Jews as well - many of them secular and many of them people I look up to. The same for many other people that happen to fall into different groups. The smartest person I have ever met is an Arab - she is an atheist.
     
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    Sad? I don't want to speak for him, but this very much looks like history repeating itself. A lot of the issues in Lebanon can be linked back to all of the Palestinians in Lebanon fleeing from Israel after the Palestinians were kicked out. It is also why many Lebanese are glad that Muslim extremists are being killed, but also do not trust Israel - as they are well aware of the history.

    Israel will spend years gathering information - they will wait until provoked or the right time, they will kill a lot of people, take out the infrastructure or the terrorist organization - then time passes, the root causes remain, and the same thing happens. Some Israeli's will get patriotic and it helps the politicians in power - and in 5-10 years we will be back into the same situation.... with Iran being passive aggressive, the USA bailing out Israel while every country in the region writes checks they cannot cash.

    Rinse and repeat - rinse and repeat ---- Israel and Iran can do whatever they want, but the USA needs to stay out of it. There is no reason for the US military to be involved, and Biden saying he is going to protect the Israeli's is hilarious.
     
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    Israel isn't like Iran - they are very different countries with different aims and values.

    Both just happen to be oppressive to large groups of people.

    Israel isn't the worst in the region - there is plenty of oppression and blood spilled in that part of the world - but Israel is far from a shinning beacon of light like those that are indoctrinated or haven't spent much time in the region believe.
     
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    Nothing in those quotes is inaccurate.
     
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    I agree. I don't think Israel benefits are all from the actions of the last year. Building a lasting peace ultimately is a bigger win.
     
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    Anyone who says, "we need a cease-fire" between Israel and its enemies is either...

    a. Really stupid. They don't understand who Israel is up against. They don't realize that there was a cease-fire that was broken by Hamas. They don't understand that there can be no peaceful cease-fire as long as Hamas refuses to co-exist peacefully. They're too stupid to understand that there can never be a cease-fire while Hezbollah intends to continue attacking Israel until all Jews are dead.

    ...or...

    b. Disingenuous, deceitful, and cowardly. They realize what I said above is true, but in order to sound virtuous and to avoid choosing a side (coward) they will send this broad statement of "peace and cease-fire" because it sounds good and keep people supporting them.

    The only cease-fire that can happen and the only one that will happen is when one side has completely destroyed the other. When Israel has destroyed all of Hamas and all of Hezbollah
     
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    ...additionally... No deal should ever be made for the release of the hostages. To do so would only signal terrorists everywhere that taking civilian hostages is a great way to get what you want, and this should never happen. Nations should punish terrorists who take hostages, not reward them.
     
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    "TO ZIONESTS/THEIR LAPDOGS :

    FREINDLY REMINDER:
    RESTOCK YOUR ADULT DIAPERS, "

    -Your Great Leader Benjamin Netanyahu
     
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    So basically never, because they can't destroy those groups. They can't destroy the 20,000 mini ayatollahs waiting to replace Khamenei. America can't destroy Al Qaeda or ISIS or the Houthis. They didn't end Baathist terrorism in Iraq and increased Shiite terrorism. They didn't remove terrorism from Libya. They didn't remove Asad. It's a fantasy in your head that this is something that happens.

    These people can only murder figureheads and innocent people. A warlord can't change hearts and minds. The entire citizenry of the region is against Israel and it will never be safe for them to have an apartheid state here. Israel flat out kills more people than anyone in the region except America. Even if they annexed all Palestinian territories, there will be some mentally ill terrorists who will start making Israelis miserable. Even after that, the Palestinians they desperately want for cheap labor will have nothing to lose and nothing to win.

    You're the only idiot here if you're waiting for that to happen. I can't believe you are this easily brainwashed with such rudimentary PR campaigns.
     
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    I don't think anyone who says what you said there in that last sentence has any right to call anyone else stupid.

    You will NEVER destroy a religiously driven ideological militant group in the middle east that is anti-Israel and you will never destroy Israel & Judaism. Even when the US killed Bin Laden, and decapitated Al Qaeda, there still another group ISIS that then cropped up in their absence in Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan the Taliban re-emerged over time.

    Netanyahu carried out these attacks against Hamas and Hezbollah leadership in order to do nothing more than project strength to the Israeli right wing in order to stay in power, and stay out of jail. Bibi knows that he does not have the capability of wiping Iran off the face of the earth... and then wiping off whoever is allied with Iran that fights with them, and in their absence afterwards. He's ratcheting up the war efforts knowing that there will be escalation from Iran because:

    A. He knows that Biden, the US, and our allies will bail him out with our airforce, and iron dome assets to thwart off air attacks.
    B. He knows that if he pulls the US and our allies into a larger war with Iran that it'll have a negative impact on the US and Democratic elections in the West with electorates who are tired of Middle East conflict, and just want a strongman who will promise fantasy.

    BiBi knows its a win win for him that's why he keeps ratcheting up the war efforts. He knows he is safe and benefits from the US while at the same time is working to undermine our Democracy by helping divide us here, and promote Trump. BiBi knows Israel is going nowhere and has a blanket over the country because of the US, and he's taking advantage of that for his own gain.

    It's BS. Israel is not in danger of being destroyed as long as the West is there to protect it, and Hamas' ideology isn't going anywhere. If anything it'll be more popular than ever in the Middle East and among anti-Israel societies. The only solution is the US, the UN (who is crippled), and our Allies throwing the hammer down on respect for borders. Unfortunately it has to be the US that have to instill iron clad rules for engaging soverign countries, and there MUST BE rules for allies like Israel in terms of ratcheting up escalatory efforts. I'm a big Biden fan, but he must get Netanyahu under control NOW. It is already too late. Everything BiBi does militarily is in Biden's name, and Biden needs to understand that, and stop looking so freaking weak.

    I'm no fan of Team America World Police but the unfortunate reality is it's the only way to stop wars from politically interested parties like Netanyahu who use the US to protect themselves, and don't give a damn about the interests of a free democratic society, and peace in the world.
     
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