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[ official ] Trump for president 2024

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Roc Paint, Nov 27, 2020.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    "early human life" is an accurate term, yes

    I understand that some people only focus on the mother, but the reality is that she is carrying another early human life in her (which is why this topic is so incredibly complex).

    The funniest/saddest part is when the same people who tell you it's just a clump of cells also try to tell you the clump of cells already knows it will be transgender.
     
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  2. Salvy

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    Its not about an issue that I don't care about, its about an issue that does not improve the quality of life for everyone in this country and stops mindless deaths in others.

    Women's healthcare? Pregnancy is not something you catch at the store because someone sneezed, you gotta *ck in order to conceive a child. If you are going to have sex and do not want a pregnancy you take the steps necessary to avoid that pregnancy instead of being an irresponsible individual and avoid the consequences of said actions by eliminating a life.

    Whether you care for abortion or not will not impact the economy, the borders and foreign wars that we are paying for. Kamala is running on a particular individual issue that only impacts irresponsible women that only benefit from easier abortions because abortions are not banned in this country. So at the end of the day we all suffer so that Kamala can proudly say she is the representative of women's rights which by the way women already have in this country. The economy and border needs to suffer so women can conveniently get an abortion and destroy the child she does not want to mother despite her actions leading towards that life existing in the first place.

    Trump is way passed all that bs, his focus is on what moves the needle for all Americans. Mass Immigration doesn't even help the illegal immigrants crossing the border as we speak.... We need borders, we need a better economy and we need good foreign policy that puts an end to wars that we are funding. Period...
     
  3. Amiga

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    Then you are claiming pretty much the whole world, including the US, promoted Hamas. Obviously, this is false.


    Repeat:

    She encouraged donations and removed the link after accusations that some members of UNRWA participated in the Hamas attack. That action is pretty much the SAME action taken by the whole world, including the U.S. government. Her action, like the rest of the world, shows they aren't supporters of Hamas, but the exact opposite.

    During the Israel–Hamas war, Emhoff encouraged her 318,000 Instagram followers to donate to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) and the Palestinian Children's Relief Fund.[31] However, after accusations surfaced that some UNRWA staff participated in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel, she removed the link.
     
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    This is again - an opinion and not a fact.

    Fetus also doesn't mean human offspring, it is any mammal and actually includes fish and a few other animals as well.

    It isn't even a fetus until around the 9th week, it is an embryo up until that point (in general).

    Even after that point it is more of a continuum than a black and white definitive change.

    After that point it IS a fetus, which is why that term exists scientifically.

    A fetus after the first trimester weighs less than one ounce.

    A fetus weighs less than two pounds at the end of the second trimester.

    If I remember correctly, up to 25% of pregnancies end in miscarriage.

    Birth - the reproductive system and the entire process is not a "pretty" or "sure" thing - we are animals, and our reproduction is no different. Survival is far from guaranteed, and failure is very common and comes with the territory. Viability is close to 0% until nearly 6 months outside the womb. The research at this point shows that a fetus doesn't even develop the ability to feel pain until the 3rd trimester - which would make sense with survival rates being what they are.

    There is room for many different positions on the abortion debate - and I have at one time or another likely held the majority of beliefs people have. I have changed my views greatly over time. What I can say definitively though - is anyone that comes in and claims that they want to change the language around the debate isn't really contributing to the issue. Both sides have loaded terms that they want to use.
     
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    You posted white supremacist social media on this website. Does that mean that everyone in your family is a white supremacist? Or that you will execute white sumpremacy policies in your business? I mean you clearly shared a social media post chastising Tim Walz for "bowing down to nonwhites"

    I just want to understand your logic.
     
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    Fetal development can vary slightly between pregnancies. Yeah the "scientific" consensus says pain perception isn’t fully developed until around 24 weeks, but we still see reflexive movements when fetuses are subjected to surgical instruments. So sure, let’s believe none of these fetuses can possibly be feeling pain while they’re being dismembered limb by limb or having their heads crushed during second-trimester dilation and evacuation (D&E) procedures. They’re just flexing and writhing for fun, right?

    While these movements may be auto reflexes controlled by the spinal cord/brainstem, the fact still remains: these fetuses are reacting to the physical trauma they're enduring. Maybe they're not "feeling" pain like a conscious adult would, but let’s not sugarcoat what’s happening during an abortion.

    Fetus definitions:

    • Oxford English Dictionary: A fetus is an unborn offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception.
    • Merriam-Webster: A developing human from usually two months after conception to birth.
    • Cambridge Dictionary: A young human being or animal before birth, after the organs have started to develop.

    So clearly while "fetus" can apply to other mammals, each of these dictionaries emphasizes the human context, especially in abortion debates.
     
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  9. AroundTheWorld

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    Nope.

    No you don't. You (unsuccessfully) want to score points and be a smartass. However, like the Islamists and leftists, eventually you lose very single time.
     
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    Yeah - pain and the signals of pain are more complicated than reflexes, so it isn't a surprise that reflexes develop before pain receptors do. So that proves my point.

    Yeah - the definition of fetus extends beyond humans, as I said. That is especially true when you look at the scientific definition of the term.

    You can be against abortion - or for it - but do not come in attempting to change the definition of terms for the purposes of supporting the argument. That is a classic argument attempt done in the context or abortion and reproductive rights and it doesn't really further the discord any further.
     
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    Truckloads of paper towels!
     
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    you clearly shared a social media post chastising Tim Walz for "bowing down to nonwhites"

    Are you claiming you didn't post that social media post?
     
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    Trump's recent speeches have been incoherent messes lately. Is he playing it up so that he can plead insanity in his legal battles after he loses the election?
     
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    Trump really is a disgusting person. Now he's at it again, flat out lying, hoping his supporters are too lazy to fact check his lies. He really is a twisted sicko playing this lying game after a devastating hurricane.

    Trump Decides Hurricane Helene Is Perfect Time to Start New Conspiracy

    As people are dying, Donald Trump has begun pushing a menacing, self-serving conspiracy theory about the hurricane response.

    He always lies and reflects from the truth, when it's actually him who sought to withhold federal help from areas where people didn’t support him.

    As president, he deliberately downplayed the damage from wildfires in Oregon and California, and said he didn’t want “another single dollar going to [Puerto Rico],” even as the U.S. territory struggled to recover from Hurricane Maria. Perhaps he doesn’t think the public remembers how he handled those disasters and thinks projecting his old actions onto Biden.

    https://newrepublic.com/post/186521/trump-hurricane-helene-conspiracy-theory
     
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    Why do you go on and on debating someone you know isn't going to admit truth or his racist views? You aren't going to change him. You know he gets off on spewing that stuff and getting responses don't you? Some racists won't admit it, but their words, actions, or inactions tell a different story. Others blatantly spew their hate and racist views, and when people support those types, or refuse to denounce them, then they are part of the problem.

    It's like trying to convince a full blown MAGA supporter that Trump is a pathological liar and sociopath. They won't even believe it when fact checks debunk all the lies. Trump gets off on it too, because he does it at every single rally, on every single interview, and anytime he's in front of a camera or reporters. He knows that some will believe him. He just hopes enough will. Sociopaths have a natural talent for deception and their ability to hide their true nature from many people. Honestly, I don't think Trump's good at all about hiding his true nature, but millions are fooled by him. Guys like him always look for angles to make themselves look like a victim whenever they get caught in a lie or crime. Lies and deception are their default settings. Trump is absolutely unfit to serve, and has zero integrity.
     
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    Trump has always gone off on tangents and made incoherent remarks. It does seem like it’s getting worse. I think age has a lot to do with it.
     
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