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At least two women in Georgia died after they couldn't access medical cares

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Sep 16, 2024.

  1. Amiga

    Amiga Member

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    It was bound to happen eventually, and it will continue until this is addressed.

    Is this something you want your wives, daughters, or mother to endure?

    Under Georgia’s Abortion Ban, She Died After Delayed Care — ProPublica

    In her final hours, Amber Nicole Thurman suffered from a grave infection that her suburban Atlanta hospital was well-equipped to treat.

    She’d taken abortion pills and encountered a rare complication; she had not expelled all of the fetal tissue from her body. She showed up at Piedmont Henry Hospital in need of a routine procedure to clear it from her uterus, called a dilation and curettage, or D&C.

    But just that summer, her state had made performing the procedure a felony, with few exceptions. Any doctor who violated the new Georgia law could be prosecuted and face up to a decade in prison.

    Thurman waited in pain in a hospital bed, worried about what would happen to her 6-year-old son, as doctors monitored her infection spreading, her blood pressure sinking and her organs beginning to fail.

    It took 20 hours for doctors to finally operate. By then, it was too late.

    The otherwise healthy 28-year-old medical assistant, who had her sights set on nursing school, should not have died, an official state committee recently concluded.

    Tasked with examining pregnancy-related deaths to improve maternal health, the experts, including 10 doctors, deemed hers “preventable” and said the hospital’s delay in performing the critical procedure had a “large” impact on her fatal outcome.


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  2. Jugdish

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    But have you considered that tweet by that grifter dunking his nuggies?
     
  3. Reeko

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    I knew this would be a black woman…they are often ignored and marginalized when it comes to healthcare, especially maternal healthcare…these abortion bans just make things 10x worse
     
  4. DonnyMost

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    Violence isn't my thing. But that's one extremely punchable face.
     
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  5. Invisible Fan

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    If I lived on X 24/7, I'd start reposting Xeets about how SCROTUS are all responsible for this.
     
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  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Medicaid provides maternal health services. The government tries it's best with children.

    The ban affects everyone. I understand statistically black women have a ridiculously higher percentage of maternal health issues but the healthcare system is not racist.

    Healthcare relies on patient and provider
     
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  7. rocketsjudoka

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    A similar situation in Ireland was what caused they country to legalize abortion through a national referendum.

    In the meantime you still have people in the US denying such things are happening.
     
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    Thanks Trump!
     
  9. DFWRocket

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    My understanding is that there is a 2yr backlog of cases being investigated. They're just now getting to the cases that are post Roe-vs-Wade. I'm guessing we'll probably start hearing about a lot more of these deaths.
     
  10. Amiga

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    Sometime, it take personal experience. I would never wish a medical crisis on anyone, but it's already happening, as we hear stories from pro-lifers sharing their nightmarish experiences.
     
  11. Reeko

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    tell that to the Tuskegee airmen and Henrietta Lacks…

    tell that to the patients whose nurses were being taught this as late as 2015…

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    tell that to the countless black people who have had their pain ignored or under-treated…

    “Black people’s nerve endings are less sensitive than white people’s.” “Black people’s skin is thicker than white people’s.” “Black people’s blood coagulates more quickly than white people’s.”

    These disturbing beliefs are not long-forgotten 19th-century relics. They are notions harbored by far too many medical students and residents as recently as 2016. In fact, half of trainees surveyed held one or more such false beliefs, according to a study published in the Proceedings of the National Academies of Science. I find it shocking that 40% of first- and second-year medical students endorsed the belief that “black people’s skin is thicker than white people’s.”

    What’s more, false ideas about black peoples’ experience of pain can lead to worrisome treatment disparities. In the 2016 study, for example, trainees who believed that black people are not as sensitive to pain as white people were less likely to treat black people’s pain appropriately.


    but wait, there’s more

    Serious racial disparities exist in the U.S. healthcare system. According to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Black and Hispanic people receive worse care on 40% of the department’s care quality measures, Batten professor and social psychologist Sophie Trawalter told an online audience during the most recent installment of Batten Expert Chats. Trawalter emphasized the importance of paying close attention to that data. “The stated purpose of healthcare is to reduce pain and suffering,” she said, “and so to condone healthcare inequalities is to condone the pain and suffering of Black and brown people.”

    Racial disparities are particularly striking in pain treatment, Trawalter said, with studies showing that Black patients are significantly less likely to be prescribed pain medication and that they generally receive lower doses of it when they are. One possible reason for this, supported by existing studies, is that white people believe Black people experience less pain.

    tell that to the countless black people that were delayed kidney treatment or denied transplants because of a raced based equation put in place for decades…

    How many negative health outcomes did that lead to?

    Standard equations for estimating glomerular filtration rate (eGFR) employ race multipliers, systematically inflating eGFR for Black patients. Such inflation is clinically significant because eGFR thresholds of 60, 30, and 20 ml/min/1.73m2 guide kidney disease management. Racialized adjustment of eGFR in Black Americans may thereby affect their clinical care.

    The use of race in medicine implies that we are physiologically different based on our outward, physical characteristics. However, race is not based in genetics, nor in physiology, but is entirely a social construct based on characteristics, physical locations, and behavioral patterns.

    We have incorporated race into multiple clinical equations despite unclear evidence for doing so. We also recognize that the effects of racism and other social determinants of health, rather than race itself, are responsible for disparities in health outcomes.

    We highlight in this paper the use of race-based glomerular filtration rate (GFR). It has been suggested that the current race-based algorithm incorporating GFR is delaying diagnosis and treatment of worsening chronic kidney disease.


    they finally did away with using race in 2021…

    Changes have been made to the eGFR (estimated glomerular filtration rate) calculation.

    Previously Black race was used in the eGFR calculation along with age, sex, and body type. However, in 2021, a task force led by the National Kidney Foundation (NKF) and the American Society of Nephrology (ASN) announced recommendationsto remove Black race as a factor in the eGFR calculation. While labs have made this shift to update their lab value reports, you should check with your doctor to make sure they are not using race-based equations.


    Why was black race put in the equation to begin with leading to such a wide discrepancy in level of care? Because “black people have more muscle mass”
     
  12. Reeko

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    Non-Hispanic black women were significantly more likely than non-Hispanic white women to report pain scores ≥5 (OR 2.94; 95% CI 2.06 to 4.09) and were significantly less likely to receive an opioid prescription at discharge (OR. 0.81; 95% CI −0.66 to 0.99).

    and in an another study

    Inequities in pain medication treatment received postpartum, after giving birth, were found in a Cedars-Sinai study of 18,000 women. The disparities were observed even among patients reporting the highest pain levels.

    The retrospective cohort study was published in The Joint Commission Journal on Quality and Patient Safety.

    Both opioid and non-opioid pain medications given to patients were examined. Investigators wanted to see if the lower opioid doses reported in some studies finding racial and ethnic differences in peripartum pain management could be due to those patients receiving other kinds of drugs for their discomfort.

    “Even after adjusting our analysis to include non-opioid medications, Black and Hispanic patients who reported the highest pain scores received lower doses of opioid-containing medication. The fact that they also received non-opioid drugs could not explain the lower opioid treatment they received when compared with white patients,” said Naomi Greene, PhD, principal investigator of the study and research assistant professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology.

    Pain associated with labor and delivery can make it challenging for women to care for themselves and their newborns. Investigators looked at many variables available in the electronic medical records of the patients who delivered at Cedars-Sinai over a three-year period, 2019−2021. White, Black, Asian and Hispanic women were part of the large cohort.

    “We attempted to identify factors that might have mitigated the apparent differences, such as the number of pain assessments, use of epidurals, the amount of non-opioid medication, maternal age, the number of pregnancies, and body mass index. But none of these factors could account for the racial and ethnic disparities in the amount of effective opioid pain management given to them,” said Sarah J. Kilpatrick, MD, PhD, the Helping Hand of Los Angeles Chair in Obstetrics and Gynecology and senior author of the paper.

    “Healthcare provider beliefs, attitudes, and biases concerning pain rating in patients of different races and ethnicities are part of the challenge. Exploring this would necessitate a prospective intervention, such as a survey distributed to nurses and doctors to assess these beliefs and biases.


    this is why it’s so important to have more black doctors, and why abortion bans only make the discrepancy in levels of care even more profound
     
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  13. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    When you say it was until 2015 that was taught why did it end?

    I see that as an attempt to teach nurses to help minorities do improve their healthcare by helping us seek care when beliefs may prevent them for doing so, and strengthening my point that the system isn't racist and is aware

    Edit:

    This

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9449514/

    talks about the education being necessary

    According to Horvat et al. (2014), the development of cultural competencies is a crucial component for addressing health disparities and strategies to improve culturally competent care, and many experts agree (Harkess and Kaddoura, 2016; Mariño et al., 2018; Curtis et al., 2019; Červený et al., 2020; Swihart et al., 2021). Faber (2021) adds that the education of health professionals is also a method of addressing racial and ethnic discrimination resulting from structural inequality. According to Carey (2011), nursing schools should provide adequate opportunities to develop cultural competence. Cruz et al. (2017b) recommend that nursing schools include international standards for culturally competent nursing care.

    You can't help people by denying that they maybe hurting themselves because of cultural differences may cause problems in an attempt to not be racist
     
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  14. Reeko

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    I knew u wouldn’t address any of the studies and post some garbage in return…stop wasting my time if this is the best u can come with

    you’re a fool
     
  15. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Look at my edit. I did address it and I edited with information backing my point.
     
  16. Reeko

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    u didn’t address sh*t…I’m not wasting any more time on your useless posts and won’t even bother reading whatever garbage u post next
     
  17. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    @Reeko

    It used to be common knowledge that Blacks and Hispanics have poorer diets than Whites.

    That's not a racist insult, it's an attempt to help us catch up
     
  18. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    So I posted backup for my assertion but you can't address why that stopped being taught

    Was it stopped. I posted proof it's taught and necessary.

    You're cutting off your nose to spite your face
     
  19. Xopher

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    Look at your link. What in the hell does this have to do with minorities in the USA?

    The articles included in the analysis were published from 2011 to 2021. The articles came from 6 countries: South Korea (Ahn, 2017), Israel (Slobodin et al., 2021), Sweden (McDonald et al., 2021), Australia (Perry et al., 2015), the Netherlands (Celik et al., 2012), and Finland
     
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  20. Nook

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    And…. Radio silence about this woman being murdered by the state of Georgia.
     
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