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Damn, Caserio.....

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by hlmbasketball, Sep 18, 2023.

  1. vince

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    Watson is a scumbag human being, he is an elite NFL athlete that imposes his strength to subdue women, who would likely have difficulty stoping an average man.

    he imposed his predatory ways upon 24 women that came forward. Unfortunately 20 of the 24 settled out of court.

    I think Cleveland fared much better last season with the journey man QB, than they are doing with Watson.

    All I was meaning is that I could care little of any outcome for the Cleveland Browns. But I’m fully expecting that Watson gets benched by the 3rd or 4th game if he continues to suck.
     
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  2. MadMax

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    Except tuna casseroles. Those are disgusting
     
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  4. Kemahkeith

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    I support this message.

    I am endorsing a good ol green bean casserole this election season.
     
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  5. percicles

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    Baked Ziti is a casserole. Therefore Baked Ziti is the best casserole.
     
  6. No Worries

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    I thought the fan-centric line was that OBie sucked balls and that Watson in his greatness overcame.
     
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  7. Marshall Bryant

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    I can't tell the difference in pastas, so having a favorite seems pointless.
     
  8. Hey Now!

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    They got 2 - not 3 - HOFs: Smith & Woodson + a very good Russell Maryland & Kevin Smith.

    But I'm not sure decades-later "hindsight" is the best way to evaluate worst trades. Nor should we *only* evaluate trades based on what was given up and not what was acquired.

    Walker was 27 and coming off a 2,000-yard season with Dallas. And he had been a ****ing beast in the USFL (for whatever that might've been worth). The Vikings were 11-5 the previous year & likely saw Walker as a final piece. All of which, IMO, is wholly defensible. Plus, Minnesota did *not* trade future Hall of Famers; they traded the picks that Dallas used - in a variety of additional trades - on players that, again decades later, became Hall of Famers. What if Dallas had whiffed on their drafts - would we still consider it the worst trade?

    I think the Watson & Young deals are worse because both players had gigantic question marks *at the time of the trades*. Watson had the allegations and hadn't played football in more than a year; Young was the size of an 8th grader. Those deals were immediately suspect. And not many of us needed to see how the picks were utilized to determine the Browns and Panthers got thoroughly fleeced. FYI, it was *three* years before Dallas drafted Darren Woodson.

    The Walker trade was a slow burn*; the Watson & Young trades were immediate dumpster fires. And I'll add: BOB trading a top-3 WR for a 30-year old RB... I mean, that's a trade that is so fundamentally dumb, it's really hard to argue it's not the worst. An immediate, cataclysmic misfire.

    * Jimmy Johnson being *light-years* ahead of the curve on recognizing the value of draft picks is an interesting wrinkle. Prior to, the NFL did not covet picks they way they do now - this was pre-salary cap and pre-free agency. So, again: the trade itself, at the time, was not immediately viewed as a fleece. (Actually, many thought Dallas had bee fleeced.) Walker flaming out was really the first thing that started to re-contextualize the deal - but it took *years* for anyone to fully understand how gigantic Dallas' haul was (as well as a bevy of subsequent moves).
     
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  9. raining threes

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    Good post

    We can only hope the Watson trade turns out as well as the Walker trade turned out for Dallas.
     
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  10. raining threes

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    This post didn't age well.
     
  11. Buck Turgidson

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    King Ranch Casserole
     
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  12. Houston77

    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    I'll also add that Walker did not actively hurt the Vikings. Watson actively makes the Browns a worse team, AND they are stuck with him because of the contract. There really is no precedent for how damaging that trade has been for the Browns. If they can't get out of the contract, they are screwed for the foreseeable future.
     
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  13. Hey Now!

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    Yeah; I don't know what Walker's contract status was but, again, it was pre-salary cap so it really doesn't matter.

    With Watson, the Browns essentially set-up a situation in which the *only* way the trade could be viewed successful was if Watson was a model citizen, a very good/great QB and the team won at least one Super Bowl. And even then... given the allegations, the contract, the draft capital... Its a craven, desperate overpay.

    With trades, there's the immediate return and then the aftermath. In the moment, the Watson trade looked bad. The aftermath has only made it worse. The Walker deal is strictly an aftermath situation: the Cowboys took draft capital almost no one in the league valued and, over the course of many years, turned it into gold.

    Also, time has glorified that trade more than a little... Make no mistake, it *was* impactful. But when the Cowboys traded Walker, they already had Aikman, Irvin, Johnston, Stepnoski, Tuinei, Newton, Ken Norton, Tony Tolbert... The most immediate impact was Dallas using Minnesota's pick to move up for Emmitt in '90. But the Cowboys' '90 draft was a bit of a disaster: they forfeited the first overall pick to draft Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft and, despite being 1-15, only came away with 3 players from the top 65 - two of which were utterly forgettable. If they would've drafted Darrell Thompson or Steve Broussard or even Rodney Hampton (all R1 RBs taken within a few picks after Smith), no one would think the Walker trade was the worst trade in NFL history. Who the Texans have drafted with the Watson capital is not necessary to evaluate the Watson trade. That they've drafted - or used the picks to improve draft capital - good players is more a cherry on top.
     
  14. Buck Turgidson

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    Wut?
     
  15. Houston77

    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    Wut?
     
  16. solid

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    I make a Mexican corn casserole that everyone seems to love. Has lots of peppers. So good.
     
  17. percicles

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    Chicago Deep Dish is a Casserole and NOT a pizza.
     
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  18. Marshall Bryant

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    Is t like a sloppy Mexican cornbread. By sloppy, I mean the same basic ingredients in different proportions so it's less bread and more casserole.
     
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  19. Marshall Bryant

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    It's a sloppy Pizza.
     
  20. solid

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    No, it is not especially soft. It is composed of 8-10 oz. of corn bread mix, a can of kernel corn (drained), a can of cream style corn, two heaping tablespoons of sour cream, a couple of tablespoons of diced jalapeños, a few red peppers, mix well, and put six to eight pats of butter on top, cook at 350 for approx. 30 minutes or until a toothpick comes up dry. Delicious.
     

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