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[PowerLine] SETTLED SCIENCE: LIBERALS MORE CLOSED-MINDED AND INTOLERANT THAN CONSERVATIVES

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  1. Amiga

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    DEI is an effort to address real-world inequalities and ensure fair treatment for everyone. For example, studies have shown that something as simple as a name change on a resume—while everything else remains the same—can lead to significant biases in who gets an interview (50%+). This illustrates how deeply ingrained biases can affect opportunities.

    DEI is not about demanding uniform results for everyone. Rather, it aims to create a work environment that reflects the diversity of the real world and ensures that everyone has a fair chance.

    In practical terms, if a job requires a specific trait, such as being tall, the selection process should focus on that trait rather than irrelevant factors like race. If the population has a distribution of 50% tall Black individuals, 30% tall White individuals, and 10% tall Asian individuals, the hiring process should reflect that diversity, rather than disproportionately favoring one group over another.
     
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  2. JHarden713

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    Who ever is more qualified should get the job. Just like in sports, if you can throw a football, your race doesn't matter
     
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  3. dobro1229

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    Let me give you a little insight into corporate America.

    It's not about qualification to business leaders and the ownership/board/shareholders. It's about productivity and growth.

    DEI was started because a large number of studies quantified that companies are more productive if their teams have diverse sets of backgrounds, social style types, genders, etc. etc. Not because CEO's wanted to be "woke"... but because they wanted to make more money because its a fact that organizations are more productive if they are diverse.

    Especially in leadership positions which is where corporate America fails. Like the company I was with we had a huge DEI push from senior leadership, but the 6 C-Level leaders (all of a certain race and gender) at the top sure as hell didn't want to give up any of their positions. Therefore they always had challenges hearing much of what they needed to hear about changes the customer was making or asking us to make which made us slow to react to the market.

    So if you want to hire based on "qualifications" alone then you are likely screwing yourself because you'll likely only hire one type of profile that is based off of one particular top performer in the past.

    EXAMPLE: This is why especially in the Houston energy market just because one of the top BD managers in the past was an "Expressive" Social Style profile man who went to A&M, had 5 years of experience in the Upstream market (from a job he got from his dad's buddy who also went to A&M") the senior leadership will just hire all A&M grads who put in 5 years at Exxon. Now that company in Houston is calling me because all of their BD Managers have the same challenges, and because everyone does things the exact same way, nobody in the company is challenged or changes their approach.

    Now this doesn't mean that my guidance to them would be that they need to install DEI because those A&M dudes all suck, and need to be replaced with Haitian immigrants. It means that from a leadership/HR perspective they might need ... I dunno an Analytical Social Style UofH grad who spent 5 years in downstream as a buyer. If that person has a different background from a different part of the world, and a different gender than that helps as well.

    Regardless... DIVERSITY is productivity. Not woke ideology in corporate America. Companies that hire "type" suffer because of it, and I see that on a daily basis. Especially working in the Houston market.
     
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    Should white people complain that they're underrepresented in the NBA? Nope just seems like black people are better at basketball than everyone else (pretty much). I wanna see the best play, even if its 100% black or white or latino, I could careless
     
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    We agree on the Goal, but the practice is ENTIRELY Equity based. Does the PHOTO look diverse?
     
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    What are white people better at than black people when it comes to careers at a race eugenics level?
     
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  7. JHarden713

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    Affirmative action is yesterday news, yea back in the 60s, 70s it was a good idea because racism played a big part, but there's no racism today.
     
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    What are white people better at than black people when it comes to careers at a race eugenics level?
     
  9. dobro1229

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    NBA organizations almost all now have diverse personnel off the court. On the court, the same concept applies although what applies to diversity is different than professional jobs. Diverse backgrounds, experience, and skills sets makes the team more productive. You run out a team with nothing but Hasheem Thabeet 7 footers, and you'll be the worst team in the league.

    You MAGA people are just so thin skinned and overly sensitive. Everything is victimization, and acting like a spoiled brat. Pull yourself up from your bootstraps, and stop running home to mommy. Corporate America especially is tough, and it's cut throat. If you can't handle that you can move to Communist China where you'll be assigned something you and not have to worry about your value being judged vs others or just go to Russia to take orders, and go where Putin wants you.

    In the real world here in America... senior leaders of professional organizations get to tell you if they want you, and they sure as hell get to decide if having too many versions of YOU is a good thing or unproductive thing for the company to make money.

    Deal with it and stop b****ing or move to Communist China.
     
  10. JHarden713

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    Some are n vice versa, anyone should get (or not) hired based on their qualifications and experience, nothing else. There’s no "isms", no racisIM, homophonISM, antisemitISM, IslamophobISM, doesn't exist, maybe in the back of the some people's minds, but not that you can't make it because of it. Thats just democrats keeping y'all in fear/victims so they can get your vote. Nothing else
     
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    @JHarden713 doesn't understand is that being a business executive isn't a hard skill or talent like an pro athlete where it's purely merit based.

    You can look for diversity initiatives for management and executive positions because those positions don't have any hard skills. He doesn't realize assuming he isn't a troll that if it isn't DEI, it's frat bro networking of dudes with dads with connections. So the old system ironically probably has less merit because it's mostly the fail sons of wealthy fathers that become the business and executive leaders of America.
     
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    The executive and management class in America is probably the least merit based class of professions in America before dei.

    Why do you think all the business schools of elite universities take in most of the legacy admissions?

    Intellectually curious types are sincerely into things like social sciences, engineering, hard sciences etc. The high school kid you knew trying to make a app to start becoming an entrepreneur are the least intellectually curious types of people on the planet
     
  13. dobro1229

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    Oh yeah I mean don't even get me started on the dipshit bro's that run these companies. They do typically have decent presentation and marketing skills but other than that, there's no "Backwheel" expertise any of them bring the industries they serve typically. Maybe with a tech company every once in awhile someone could write code or an oil and gas executive once when starting up could use autocad for an engineering role, but those positions are positions of doing nothing but motivational internal PR positions with a day job of buying an selling parts of the business with other firms or PE/investment first.

    Most of your day of a CEO is spent getting financial updates from your CFO, having the next call with your VP of sales to project what is coming down the pipeline, and than making calls either to the board, or other firm leaders to position the move you think you need to make in two years when you sell or acquire to grow. The job isn't that hard because THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE and the decisions are usually obvious. Getting up to present to your team a couple times a year.. yeah that can be a presentation talent that does have value, but you can upskill anyone to give a decent presentation with enough reps & coaching.

    But what this MAGA whiny baby doesn't realize though is that EVEN THESE BRO's at the C-Suite level understand that DEI is good for business, and it's just an obvious decision even to them. Much of these CEO's are Trump supporters and donors, and at the same time will choose DEI for their own business because they want to make money.

    Of course they don't want to lose their jobs or the jobs of their frat bro CFO so they'll never challenge their own standing in that C-Suite network, but with every other job below them even these Bro's understand its just good F-ing business.
     
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    That's a trap and people aren't going to fall for it.

    If someone says, "White people are better at _____" it will be interpreted as racism.

    This is an example of the double-standard, because it's socially acceptable to say, "black people are better at basketball'" or something else.
     
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    This narrative mirrors right wingers doing "black crime data" drive-by's where the just express data of black crime statistics and based on that alone want people to make assumptions about racial inferiority because they never went to discuss the context of wealth gaps and over policing.


    Same here. We can say "white people are more likely to become engineers than black people".

    People like you want to end the convo there and wabt to implicitly state a inferiority without saying it outright because you never drove into existing inequalities from history that created cascading events.

    So ya go ahead and say a white American is more likely to science a stem degree than a Black American. but why? Why is that doxford? What do YOU think the reason is.
     
  16. Amiga

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    DEI has been around since the 1970s, but for most of those years, it has been largely ineffective and often reduced to corporate slogans. It sounds good—who wouldn’t want inclusion and diversity?—which is why it became popular in corporate America. When quotas were implemented (though quotas are different from DEI but are often conflated with it), there was some movement towards making workplaces better reflect the population at large. If I remember correctly, this started in the 1990s. No one really cared about it at that point either.

    Then came DEI training on diversity, equality, and inclusiveness. These sessions didn’t do much beyond reminding people not to be jerks to each other. (preventing discrimination lawsuit was a driver for these trainings) They were boring trainings that corporate America liked to conduct to check a box, but they didn’t achieve much toward the broader goals.

    At some point in the 2010s, DEI was picked up as a political issue. It became something that politicians and pundits used to create cultural divides, driving Americans to further polarize and resent one another. And that’s where we are now.
     
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    Apparently raysis math according to some. But it's truly laughable, even when it come from Libtards.
     
  18. droxford

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    You want me to try to guess why white Americans are more likely to choose a stem degree? If you want to know why white or black Americans do or don't choose to pursue a stem degree, send 'em a survey.
     
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    How are Asians make it then (including Indians)? Connections are always going to exist, would Bronny be on the Lakers rn if it wasn't for his daddy? What do you think?

    Sometimes I wonder if liberals even live in the real world, no offense
     
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    Why do you think it is?
     

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