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[2024 Harris/Trump Debate]

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Space Ghost, Sep 8, 2024.

  1. DatRocketFan

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    If Kamala could triggered trump so easily in a debate. U still fully believe the man could represent the country when talking to other foreign leaders without self imploding?


    A lot of Folks on the right called for biden to step down bc of his declining mental state, same folks r fine with rambling idiot for president once more
     
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    it’s a lineage of evil atp…these people are the dregs of society and bottom of the barrel filth, but think they’re superior to black and brown people

    calling someone a sand monkey when you’re middle aged with no teeth and look inbred…these are the worst people society has to offer
     
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    Pretty sure folks would rather have a politican that changes their stance on a topic showing adaptation and openess to the time rather than having a stubborn politican who sticks to a stance no matter what.

    A politican that was anti gay but changed their stance is way better than one who sticks to their guns about gay marriage being illegal. That's just one example.

    But Of course u would spin it that politicans that switch up their stance are slimey, conveniently focusing only one side of the political spectrum.
    Senior trump switch up his politics stance on certain topics aplenty
     
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  6. AroundTheWorld

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    I like your signature.
     
  7. Amiga

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    Vance and Trump bring out the worst in people. They use lies and conspiracies to stoke hatred and fear.
     
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    We see it with every politician ever
     
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  9. AroundTheWorld

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    Yes. But from where I stand politically, and putting things in context with her track record and what Bernie Sanders was saying about her "saying the stuff necessary to get elected", I believe that if she were to be elected, her actual actions would be much worse (from my standpoint) than the "moderate" she is pretending to be now.

    So I think her real positions are very leftist, woke, authoritarian when it comes to free speech, high taxes, etc. You know, all the stuff I don't like.
     
  10. Space Ghost

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    Boomers are debating policy discussions during the debate.
    Meanwhile DeGenZ only remembers this

     
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    in fairness to trump, he still thinks that china pays for tariffs instead of the consumer.

    it can only be one of two things...he is a moron or he thinks his supporters are morons.
     
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    Why not both?
     
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    this is the best one ive heard yet. f***ing weird and awesome. its like if trump and stevie wonder did a bunch of scotchguard and decided to make a song.

     
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    I remember back when Trump was president and when he would say or do something offensive, which was about once every week and a half, if not more often, the media would ask high ranking Republicans like Mitch McConnell what they thought about Trump's actions or words. Those questioned would often claim to have not heard what Trump said, or say something like, well, what Trump said wasn't wise but that's not what he meant, or they would do their best to make excuses for him, or simply just run off and refuse to comment.

    It seems like the media doesn't attempt to do that anymore. Many outlets report on what Trump does, at least to some extent, just like they report on the Republicans that have spoken out against Trump, yes. But rarely does the media ask them specifically why they do or don't support Trump.

    I want to see the media get mics in the faces of people like Mitch McConnell, people with future presidential aspirations like Nikki Haley, and ask them what they think of tactics like this; get those that make up today's GOP on record so that they can be held accountable (or not) for their lack of concern, their lack of action and spinelessness.

    As far as I'm concerned, their silence, just like that of Trump's supporters around the country and in this forum, is tact approval at the very least. The public should know where they stand and what, if anything, they won't stand for.

    Or maybe, aside from the mayor of Mesa, Arizona, there are no decent Republicans left in power to be found. Maybe, like many here apparently, they simply approve of **** like this.
     
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    Same thing was said about Clinton and Obama. Both tracked more to the center as president, not the other way. Reality is that you can't govern as a democrat without a shift to the middle. Even AOC is shifting to the middle. You get started with liberal viewpoints but have to tack to the center to win. They don't tack back. No reason to think Harris is any different.
     
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    Maybe. I think Clinton was much more centrist. And while I liked Obama a lot personally, some of the foreign policy decisions (specifically towards Iran) were disastrous in my opinion (Biden/Harris made it worse). I do think Harris and also Walz are far further left than they pretend to be right now.

    Neither Clinton nor Obama seemed to be hung up on identity politics, etc., all the woke lunacy.

    That said, IF she wins - I hope you are right.
     
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    He has been this way since he entered politics. I could see people who never experienced Trump before being alarmed. But this didn't surprise anyone.
     
  18. Amiga

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    A few points.

    1- If the theory holds, that she says whatever is necessary to get elected (which politicians often do, to varying degrees), then it follows that if elected, she would take actions to ensure re-election.

    2- Due to our broken political system, most presidential candidates lean further to one side (left or right) during the primaries, only to moderate once they’ve secured the nomination.

    3- Every Democratic candidate who makes it to the general election is suddenly portrayed as the most extreme liberal ever. This is typical political maneuvering from the right, but it’s never actually true.
     
  19. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Clinton changed positions so much he got the nickname "slick willy" - he embraced positions that would help him win.

    He was a Vietnam war protestor and was very liberal - or what you'd call woke. His first act that got him in trouble was gays in the military - at that time gays were demonized much like trans folks are now. He immediately got push back and caved and tacked back to the center. His ideas were definitely left, but out of practically and an understanding of power and what is needed to win, he played it smart. He saw that to beat Republicans like Reagan, the democratic party would have to be centrist. And he did just that.

    Harris understands the game. She was a politician from California - she wasn't going to succeed there without being very liberal. But now that's a liability, she tacks to the center. So how do you know what she will do as president? She will be a moderate who throws enough meat to the left of the party to keep them placated while she focused on a centrist agenda to keep power and influence. Remember that many Democratic senators and house members are moderates and won't support a far left agenda. She needs them to do anything, and she will make sure they are happy so that she can affect policy changes.

    That's why I think your fear here...well for a lack of a better word...is ridiculous. She'll be tough on immigration and put better economic policy forward. The big minus is the culture war issue, but to me, it's clear she cares little about that stuff and she'll more try to find the balance of what she can tip toe around while making the branch team happy.
     
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  20. Amiga

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    Until the last debate, no one had pressed his buttons in public this successfully before. Harris, possibly with advice from psychologists, knew exactly how to manipulate him in front of the American and worldwide audience. Any previous manipulation occurred behind closed doors, so most people are surprised at how easy it is to manipulate him.
     

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