It's like an NBA fan complaining about ref calls. From their perspective, it's almost always unfair. Sometimes there is merit to the complaints, but... If you constantly tip the ball into the wrong basket because a player on the other team successfully manipulated your mental state, the ref isn't the issue. And you really should never, ever play in the NBA again.
“There’s no putting lipstick on this pig. Mr. Trump was crushed by a woman he previously dismissed as ‘dumb as a rock.’ Which raises the question: What does that make him?” - Karl Rove
Here is the thing. First, yes they would fact check Trump when he would make statements that were clear cut lies - where there was no ambiguity and there wasn't the risk of the moderator being "wrong" fact checking. Also, while they fact checked Trump more than Harris - they also continuously let Trump get the last statement on everything, they let him respond and talk over them without muting his microphone or having him stop so that they could ask him the next question - and that mattered because when the topic ended, he always got the last word instead of getting it half the time. Also - the complaints against the moderators by Trump supporters is because he got his ass handed to him, and they cannot in good faith argue otherwise. The "best" argument that they have, and some like @AroundTheWorld have pointed it out, is that it is very possible that this debate will not matter come November and we don't know what this debate will do with independents. Really the only thing we know is that Harris likely helped get some momentum or at least kept Trump from getting momentum. Also - keep in mind that Trump and Harris had very different agendas. Trump just wants immigration discussed constantly - and with the border crossings having gone way down, he knows it is cooling off some, but talking about dirty poor immigrants eating pets and flooding into small towns across the rust belt IS good business for Trump.
Soooooo . . . .is he still suffering from dementia or nah? Ya'll need to make up your mind . . . Rocket River
Word on the street is that it is not He actually did this as a show of unity for 9/11 He and a Maga exchanged hates Biden undermining Kamala a bit here . . . imo Rocket River
Bottom line for the debate. We don't know if it will have much or any of an effect on the election. People who agree with Trump's stance on issues weren't ever going to like her stance on issues. People who agree with Harris' stance on issues weren't ever going to like Trump's. We do know that Kamala showed that she could toe to toe with foreign leaders and has a grasp on the issues. She can think, adjust, and execute a strategy. We do know that Trump isn't able to discern fact from fiction or has no interest in doing so. We know that he can be manipulated and easily triggered. He seems less ready for the job.
Operation "we're not weird" is not working 5 Sept Trump Rejects Backlash Against JD Vance, As Being Weird 10 Sept J.D. Vance acknowledged the racist conspiracy about Haitians eating pets is just a "rumor," but still encouraged people to spread it 10 Sep 2024 During the Presidential debate, Trump peddles baseless claim about immigrants "eating the pets" 11 Sep 2024 The Republican governor of Ohio on Wednesday poured cold water on right-wing claims — including from former President Donald Trump and his running mate, Ohio Sen. J.D. Vance — that Haitian immigrants are eating pets in Springfield.
If your argument really is that he lost the debate because of the moderators, you are telling me he can't handle ABC News hosts but you expect me to believe he can handle world leaders, military generals, and the toughest job in the world? But he can't handle a somewhat tough question, a follow-up, or a fact check? Can you help make that make sense? You can tell me they were biased against him if you want, but if you are saying that's why he lost you are telling me he can't handle a tough situation. Why would I want that as president?
I think this is the wrong mentality. It would be a beautiful thing if everyone just voted for what they wanted and we make a choice where the majority lies. But, that's not reality, and you're not doing yourself any favors by voting like you're in fantasyland when your vote is tallied in the real world. The truth is the American presidential election is a winner-take-all contest. Which has two implications: (1) it's effectively binary, and (2) it's a grand compromise. You don't get to pick the candidate who is perfect for you. Only a very limited number of people put themselves up for election and ultimately only two have any chance at winning. In a compromise, you're not negotiating for what you want but for what you can live with. Which means, effectively, that you're voting against the person you don't want, not voting for the person you do want. And you have 2 votes -- the one you can deny the person you don't want and the one you can give to the other candidate to negate some other person's vote for the guy you didn't want. Everyone uses that first vote. But that second one, I don't know, some people just throw it away by not coming to the polls or coming to vote for some third party joker. I know, if everyone else would just vote for that same joker, he'd be president. But that's fantasyland, not reality. It's depressing but this is a compromise, not a choice.
I watched the Obama/Romney debate and feel like it was centuries ago. I know both were professional politicians but damn it was at least respectful. we will never return to that and it’s depressing.
Wow, that old referee shtick? I guess they are getting that from their Dear Leader himself, as he whinges on and on. But people really need to honestly ask themselves: Was he triggered by mods or by his opponent? If he's easily triggered and manipulated by an even-remotely-clever opponent -- never mind one with a PhD from KGB university -- what does that mean for our November decision? Yeah, I totally get people don't use logic here, but... "I'm just asking the question."
Gotcha thanks. Biden has always been sort of tone deaf (i.e., considered banning Tiktok despite how unpopular that'd be with Gen Z) so I guess it's not too surprising. Good thing we have a younger, more in-tuned candidate in Harris.
Trump was also fully on board with this, until he got a huge donation from one of the biggest Tiktok investors, which made him change his tune, a pretty consistent theme with Trump. I don't think he's any more "in touch" than Biden is
No I totally agree. Trump is completely out of touch. It's why Harris resonates with more voters and why Trump will lose this election/go to prison in 2024.
this is a BS take and you know it. we already have a near total abortion ban in Texas to the point that women are being forced by politicians to carry unviable fetuses to term even if it might kill them. Rape vicitms being denied abortions. This is supported by many prominent republican politicians. can you name any prominent democrat politicians calling for banning all guns or any legislation being proposed to do that?
