Again, i never said any of this, you're thinking of someone else (idk who). I don't have everyone's stats for every season memorized so without looking it up i just don't know, my memory is not that strong. Maybe Len had an 18 usage and a 115 TS+ that season, and booker had a 22 usage an a 94 TS, without looking it up i just don't remember.
As expected, the dishonest piece of **** is still attacking the same strawman that he's known was a strawman for days now.
@Easy, for context this is how it all started so here he clearly is comparing Booker vs JGreens 3rd year using PPG and TS% this is my reply basically in Booker's 3rd year, because of his scoring output, efficiency, shot selection, awareness, and trajectory I can understand why SUns decided to not give up on him yet it because he was the core at the time while Jalen, who just ended his 3rd season with similar volume and efficiency behind the arc as WIzards Jordan Poole and TS% being some what stagnant, has 4 young core who are impactful and more efficient scorers than him. So the Rockets probably don't value JG and his 3rd year as much as the Suns value Booker in his 3rd year. he then replied what so I reminded him he was so proud of Jalens 54% TS in his 3rd year when there were 7 (I threw this in I want to get a reaction other than "what") rockets that same year who had better TS% than him showing him is one of the worst TS% on the team by his 3rd year but still 4 promising young players are still ahead of him in efficiency so he thought this was a "drive by" on Jalen so he needed to defend Jalen from facts then he replied with Grayson Allen who wasn't even on the Suns during Booker's 3rd year he tried to get a reaction thinking I was a booker only fan as he was a Jalen only fan but I already said my piece regarding value of booker vs jg as future winning franchise players by year 3 so no need to go back and forth with him arguing the value of grayson who wasn't even on the team and 24 yr old len vs 21 yr old booker LOL
Absolutely. The question we should ask is if Booker is so great how come they can’t win a ring with those great super teams they’ve had there in the past 4 years or so.
Nobody thinks he’s a top 2-3 player, and those are the only guys who can win by themselves. Do you not think he’s top 15? He would be by far the best player on the rockets
So the context is you wanted to bring up 7 rocket players having a higher ts% than Jalen Green because? Is it because you think I was "proud of 54% ts"? It's obvious you wanted to imply that there are 7 players on the roster that are better at scoring than Jalen Green. Hence Is Grayson Allen a better scorer than Devin Booker?
I would like to point out that @bustamove made an error, Jalen was technically 15th in TS on the rockets last season, not 8th. Of course this is count all random scrubs who barely played, but he was behind even dillon brooks which is just.....sad
Right, he was really bad at scoring despite the 8 game hot streak. Before the dishonest piece of **** starts up again, that doesn't mean anyone with a better TS% was a good scorer, it just means they were more efficient. As we all know, a bad TS% means you are a bad scorer but a good TS% doesn't necessarily mean you are a good scorer.
This is a very reasonable take. TS% is absolutely the best measurement of Jalen in the current situation. If he doesn’t improve in that single stat, nothing he does this year will get him a max. I’m hoping he improves and nervous about trading him, but he has to do it this year or he is gone, gone, gone. You don’t give a high volume guy with that TS% a max contract.
What is a reasonable take? I want you to tell me what their take is and what they are claiming. Is anyone here even the most die hard Jalen stan denying that he needs to improve his efficiency considerably to earn a max? No? Then what is the point of contention. What claim are they making that more than likely is in bad faith?
The last sentence. I think most of BTG are over the top when it comes to Jalen, but stating that a bad TS% makes you a bad scorer, but a good TS% does not make you a good scorer. Saying that SOME Jalen fans acknowledge that he needs to improve TS% is not what he was commenting on. I was just stating that I believe, right or wrong, that TS% is absolutely the stat that Jalen has to overcome to be re-signed by the Rockets. I think that is a reasonable take. Even BTG acknowledges that if Jalen becomes a much more efficient scorer than he has a future with the Rockets. He just thinks that is an unreasonable expectation and as much as I hate his approach to conversation and constant bashing, expecting Jalen to improve his TS% over the short term is 50/50 at best.
He needs something like 57% TS% which might not sound like that big a deal going from 54 to 57....but it would represent a massive improvement, the largest improvement that I think could be reasonably expected in just one offseason. If he got to 60% on similar volume, that's a max player. The most important thing for him is 3 point shooting, in his career he hasn't been a quality shooter, in his 8 game streak he was and it changed everything. If he can improve his 3 point shooting from 34% to 37% or better, I'll buy back in on his upside. If he can't improve that 3 point shooting, I don't see much of a future for him as a starter anywhere, but definitely not in Houston.
Why do you think the people who bring up this point that Green is low on the team list in ts% are hesitant and tap dance around the question "is KJM a better scorer than Jalen Green because he has a higher ts% in 2022-2023?"
I remember when Booker was thought to not be a #1 player, more like a #2/Batman. That's still how I see him. He's a great player who I don't think can be the best player on a championship team so I'll pass. I would trade for him if the deal was great but it won't be. I won't overpay for a #2 even if he makes us a regular playoff team.
I guess I'll be blunt. They want to create a narrative that there are even bench warmers better at scoring than Jalen Green because they want to ignore context. That's why I bring up Devin Booker and Grayson Allen.
I get that you are pretending to ignore me again, because the things I'm saying completely destroys your battle against the straw men......but your dishonesty isn't a winning strategy my guy. When people point out just how pathetic Jalen Green's TS% was last year and how pathetic it has been every season of his career, they are pointing out that he's a terrible scorer. They can use other players to emphasize just how pathetic his TS% is, like for example pointing out that even Dillon Brooks was a more efficient scorer last season. You of course know all of this, and instead of having to just admit that your guy is a terrible scorer, you make a dishonest argument involving one of the 170 players that had better TS% than Jalen last season despite the fact that you know having a high TS% doesn't automatically mean you are a good scorer...and no one argued that it does.
