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Trump Lied the Entire Debate

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by deb4rockets, Sep 10, 2024.

  1. fchowd0311

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    You find a candidate trying to imitate the cadence of another human just as bad as a presidential candidate using a powerless migrant community as a crutch to spew blood libel towards?

    Trump isn't just "not likeable" because of his narcissism. He's not likeable because he's a n abject bigot who makes random **** up about minority groups because it plays well with his most baseline bigoted supporters.
     
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  2. T_Man

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    Look at other articles..

    The man says 5 different things to 5 different people...

    So basically he leaves it so you pick the one that fits you.

    T_Man
     
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  3. fchowd0311

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    I never understood how this is some type of gotcha claim. Why would we leave basic human rights questions up to states?

    Should we leave the slavery question up to states?
     
  4. durvasa

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    Leaving the question of whether a woman should be prosecuted for having an abortion to some corrupt politicians at the state-level is grotesque. And Trump saying this is what everyone wanted is just a joke.
     
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  5. MadMax

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    Every time someone plays the "states rights" card, someone is getting screwed.
     
  6. Andre0087

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    You really want him to answer that last question?
     
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  7. fchowd0311

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    No answer would surprise me from that dude.
     
  8. DatRocketFan

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    1 to 33 does sounds kinda skewed by biasness but then again u have to take in account trump is always lying or rambling about some sht.

    Of course the trumpers would defend anything that comes out of the man's mouth regardless. Im still awaiting for that better health care plan that will replace Obama care and for the Mexicans to foot the bill for our wall.
     
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  9. DaDakota

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    Immigrants - what are you up to?

    Oh, just taken jobs and eating dogs.

    DD
     
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    If it's above 80 degrees outside and they see a dog, it's fair game.

    Not their fault they don't know enough English to know what a hot dog actually is. They're just trying to assimilate.
     
  11. Scarface281

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    Comparing abortion to slavery is lazy. Forcing people into labor is way different than Stacy wanting an abortion for convenience. Cases of rape, incest, or health issues are a different story, but let’s not ignore half of abortions are Black babies (when Blacks are just 13% of the population), which is exactly what Planned Parenthood’s founder wanted. States' rights are part of our system, and bringing slavery into this doesn’t help.
     
  12. Scarface281

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    In what state do women get prosecuted for Abortion? Cite the actual bill showing that
     
  13. deb4rockets

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    Quoting because a Like wasn't enough. This was exactly what I was thinking - multiple appointments for Justice told America that Roe was settled law to get the job. I didn't believe them, but enough people did so they could slide in. Now Trump is trying to do the same trick. I think the leave-it-to-the-states is a good rhetorical line. And if he could have said that he would veto any attempt to make a national law, I could give it some grudging respect. But being unwilling to say he would veto becomes essentially equivalent to saying he would sign a ban. He would need to take some affirmative step to convince people he would not pursue the established republican line.
     
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    In 2016, when Trump was running for President, he specifically said that, with regard to women seeking an abortion, "there has to be some sort of punishment."

    There are states that criminalize women who use medication for abortion...they are not exempted from prosecution:

    https://www.brookings.edu/articles/...-surveillance-of-women-in-a-post-dobbs-world/

    Georgia, for example, has passed a personhood law. Its “Living Infants Fairness and Equality” Act (LIFE Act) bans abortion after six weeks, a time at which most women don’t even know they are pregnant, and states that “t shall be the policy of the state of Georgia to recognize unborn children as natural persons.” It defines “natural person” as “any human being, including an unborn child,” and defines “unborn child” as “a member of the species of Homo sapiens at any stage of development who is carried in the womb.” By including “unborn child” in the definition of natural person, the LIFE Act raises the possibility that a woman who obtains or self-manages an abortion after six weeks could be charged with murder.

    In Georgia, a person commits murder “when he unlawfully and with malice aforethought, either express or implied, causes the death of another human being.” No exemptions from prosecution are provided in the LIFE Act. While our article identifies some ambiguity surrounding whether a woman having or self-managing an abortion could be prosecuted for murder under Georgia’s LIFE Act, Douglas County District Attorney Ryan Leonard previously indicated that women in Georgia “should prepare for the possibility that they could be criminally prosecuted for having an abortion. . . . If you look at it from a purely legal standpoint, if you take the life of another human being, it’s murder.” This prosecutor’s statement is an example of a threat of prosecution, where a public official purposefully wields fear and uncertainty to enforce an abortion ban.

    Meanwhile, an April 1 ruling by the Florida Supreme Court enabled a six-week abortion ban to take effect by May 1, replacing the current law, which bans abortion after 15 weeks. In Florida, “[a]ny person who willfully performs, or actively participates in, a termination of pregnancy in violation” of the law before or during viability “commits a felony of the third degree, punishable” by a term of imprisonment not exceeding five years and fines. There is no exemption for pregnant women. The broad “any person” language subjects women who self-manage abortion through medication to the threat of investigation and prosecution.H.B.111 in October 2023, a bill that explicitly exempts pregnant women from prosecution for terminating their pregnancies: “This paragraph does not apply to the pregnant woman who terminates the pregnancy.” The bill died in subcommittee in March of this year.

    Florida’s six-week ban features the same broad language prohibiting “any person” from engaging in the proscribed conduct. Accordingly, women will continue to be at risk of investigation and prosecution under the new law.
     
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  16. dobro1229

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    What about prosecuting the doctors for performing abortions since that's what our own state Attorney General has said is the proper recourse for prosecuting abortion cases?

    https://www.reuters.com/legal/texas...rgency-abortion-despite-state-ban-2023-12-07/

    If you are prosecuting the doctors instead of the mothers the end goal is the same. Just a more efficient way of policing the issue.

    So is Ken Paxton a liar? Is that what you are saying since you are trying to make a case that it's actually not a crime?? or is it a crime?? I'm confused.
     
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  17. durvasa

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    Trump said he would leave the whole matter to the states, which includes prosecution of women who seek or self-manage an abortion. That such a bill does not yet exist doesn't mean it could not come about in the future as some of these red states lurch further and further to the right. Would Trump try to protect women from that? Nope. He's made it clear that it should be the state that gets to decide whether and how to punish women for an abortion.
     
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  18. dobro1229

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    I also like how the MAGA activist above says "Show me the Bill"

    This is clear evidence that this guy is an activist, and knows how to wordsmith his narrative. He knows damn well that Roe vs Wade was A COURT CASE where the RULING was overturned by the Supreme Court. There is no legislative bill in this case, but a court ruling.

    Being coy here to try and create a GOTCHA!!! argument/narrative for Trump supporters to make themselves feel like Trump actually is the good guy here, and Democrats are just lying satan worshipers.

    Anyone with an objective mind knows the truth here which is clear as day. However this MAGA activist knows that the people he's actually trying to reach and influence are those specific men who actually like Trump, and are right wingers, but on the fence in regards to voting for Trump, and are just looking for an excuse and permission to vote for him.

    It's exhausting to constantly have to rebut activists like Scarface, OsTrig, Commodore, etc. but their influencing here can work if people are constantly reminded that this propaganda is a lie, and you shouldn't feel like the good guy for coming home to Trump because you aren't... you are selling the country down the river, and if you have a daughter you are definitely selling out her rights in the future all so you can feel a certain way today... all the while you'll feel just as insecure in your manhood tomorrow as well even after you get your quick fix of Trumpism fake macho drug today.
     
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    IMO he took this approach so he doesn't have to take a position, "let the states decide", is just a way to kick the can down the road and that is not going to fly.

    The orange man did nothing but lie, typical for him and his cronies........brilliant idea to have Laura Loomer in your ear right before the debate LOL

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  20. Andre0087

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    There is nothing he could say that would make me believe him about anything. If he said the sky was blue I’d have to look up and check just to be sure.
     
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