Some. Who is encouraging or approving of people being disrespectful to the officer? I don't see anyone approving of it - I see some people saying that it doesn't justify the response by the officer. Two things can be true at the same time - Ty Hill can be an *******, and people can not feel bad for him - while also recognizing that the response from the officer was inappropriate and excessive. As for Hill - he is and has paid a price for his behavior. He is universally viewed as a scumbag - he has a poor relationship with his son and the mother of his child. He has serious personal issues. Yeah - someone saying that doesn't necessitate someone being slammed on the ground. Right - and if a teachers response was to put the student in a choke hold, the teacher would be fired. The military is different. Right - and the response of the Judge is limited by law. No one is defending it - at least not that I have noticed. Okay - that doesn't justify the LEO response.
This can be true (and it is in some situations), but that doesn't mean that the response from LEO is justified. [QUOTE="HTM, post: 15359122, member: 55841"He should face consequences for treating a public servant like ****. Everyone should.[/QUOTE] Sure - and someone being a dick to you, doesn't justify forcefully removing him from the car and face two the ground. Those with power have to be responsible with it. Everything is on a sliding scale. [QUOTE="HTM, post: 15359122, member: 55841"DMV employee, LEO, Teacher, Judge etc etc etc. - We see massive shortages in some of these areas and an oft cited reason is peoples conduct, conduct like Hills. Supporting Hill here enables that conduct. I'm out on that.[/QUOTE] Sure - we can as a culture be more respectful to authority figures - we have someone running for President that has ZERO respect for authority figures. The problem is that authority figures also have abused their authority - and there are limits to how you can or should respond to someone being rude or disrespectful to you. [QUOTE="HTM, post: 15359122, member: 55841"We have standards and expectations in society and those should be maintained.[/QUOTE] Right - I agree, and one of those expectations is that an officer not take down someone twice because they were a dick to you. [QUOTE="HTM, post: 15359122, member: 55841"What Hill got for breaking those standards and expectations was an appropriate rebuke/reprimand.[/QUOTE] Appropriate is the operative word.
Yeah he will. If being humiliated on television for hitting his child and the mother of his child doesn't change his behavior, then having a thin skinned overly aggressive police officer taking him down to the ground a couple of times won't either.
Amazing to me that a set of people are much more interested in Tyreek Hill's bad behavior than a guy who wants to return to being the most powerful person in the world but speaks disrespectfully of and to judges pretty much on the daily. But I get it: "we have a bunch of other threads for that." True. But the judgment of character and the willingness to criticize in either case is striking, pending political teams. (I would say the stakes of the situations should guide us. We have zero stakes in Tyreek Hill being more respectful, unless we are related to him or live in his neighborhood or something.)
You are joking right? Are you honestly trying to tell us that the character of person running to be President of the United States and leader of the free world is as important as the character of professional athlete? Come on. I mean sure if the Ex-President had just followed directions of law enforcement and returned all the classified information he wouldn't be under indictment right now, but he's a politician and that information is classified and top secret. So trivial. The other guy actually plays football and catches passes. We know what's important. Stop trying to sell that snake oil to a sophisticated group of folks like us.
Let's look at reality, you know, the facts of exactly this situation. 1. The officer has been put on administrative leave, right? 2. The police held a press conference and are still answering questions about this (utilizing tax payer money). 3. We, the public, are still talking about it, right? PR disaster. All that could have been avoided if the officer didn't go into that interaction with the mindset of "beat his ass" or "kiss the ground". That is a childish mentality that leads to outcomes such as this. LEO are the professionals here. Find a solution that doesn't involve a press conference afterwards to clean up the mess. Or better yet, find a solution to help people, rather than use people to set an example. The police are not there to "put people in their place". They are peace keepers, not war makers.
That's your opinion and the choice to describe the events as "inappropriate" and "excessive" is again - your opinion. That's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I didn't find the LEO response "inappropriate" or "excessive" - Hill was being non-compliant during a lawful traffic stop, even going so far as to tell an officer "don't tell me what to do" and he was detained. He was seated in a car and them pulled him out and placed him in custody. Then, after a short period of time, he was released. I don't see it all as a terribly big deal or problematic behavior from the LEO.
Could have been avoided if Hill was a half-decent human being. It's only costing the tax payer money because he runs fast and catches a leather sack on Sundays.
They're not there to argue with you either, you either comply (as you should) or you gonna be forced to. The choice is yours, Hill made that decision as a grown man n he faced the consequences. Nothing further to discuss here honestly
Look, society is full of assholes. A cop will have numerous encounters through their career with people that will challenge their authority. The reality is that our society is filled with those kinds of individuals. Do we support individuals that act and don't comply, no we don't. Tyreek should have complied. Granted, maybe Tyreek watches too many police encounters on YouTube and he clearly forgot to research Florida law to understand what a traffic stop entails in Florida and when a command is a lawful one and should be followed. So lets get this out of the way, he should of complied from the get go. Which he semi did since he provided his license and registration. He should of kept his window down which is required by Florida law, this he didn't comply. It does seem he was attempting to exit the vehicle, but the cop reacted too quickly. A cop, they need to understand how to engage with the public and control their emotions. The cop is certainly within his right to act accordingly once a lawful command is not being followed. And lets be clear, he clearly asked Tyreek several times to roll down the window which Tyreek did not comply. Now, how he decided to manage the situation is where the issue was created. Regardless of Tyreek's non-compliance with the window, it did seem that he was going to step out of the car since he wanted to prevent any damage to his vehicle from the officer tapping the glass. The cop at that point was already angry and he decided that he needed to assert his authority and use excessive force to remove Tyreek from the vehicle. This is what was totally unnecessary and deserves criticism and proper consequences. Cops are going to encounter assholes all their careers. Cops in many cases are responsible for the mistrust the public has on them due to more than a few bad apples that continue to make others look bad. Cops need to learn to mitigate the situation and act accordingly based on the severity of the issue. In this case, Tyreek just didn't want to roll down the window. Does this truly justify excessive force? No, not at all. We are still human beings and being a cop doesn't give these individuals a free pass to abuse our human rights due to their inability to control their emotions.
Nor should he then forcibly be brought to the ground a second time either. That was excessive force and ego driven. At the time they knew who he was and knew he was not a threat or flight risk standing there on the side of the road in handcuffs.
Hill's past has nothing to do with an abuse of power by the cops. Classic example of people attacking the victim. Always bringing up people's past which are not relevant. Yeah these aren't good people, but cops are held to a higher standard as public servants. They are not supposed to escalate the situation. Bottom line if this wasn't Tyreek Hill, I bet this does not make national headlines. The cops probably don't even get suspended, so they can go abuse other black people. Systemic issue.
I agree. I don't understand why people believe someone being an ******* gives you the right to act physically violent. You only need to use excessive force when the need actually arises.
I agree with that, but what we do not have on video (as far as I know anyway) is what Tyreek's driving meant for keeping the peace. Idiotic driving can be quite dangerous. I'm not saying that warranted ending up on the pavement, but that warranted, apparently, getting pulled over. I do feel sympathy for both sides, but I think this is teeny tiny issue, amplified to distract and divide us. Another shiny object, with a little inflammatory vid.
Hill’s past or position doesn’t excuse or justify his actions either. I agree the LEO didn’t deescalate and acted poorly but so did Hill in the face of lawful and reasonable commands to roll down his window. While the LEO responded excessively I don’t think this is a situation the LEO will or should face serious legal consequences.
Instead showing clips of people here on the right using right wing YouTube commentators as some proof that the cops were right. I rather listen to a person who is an expert in civil rights. I am sure you guys on the right won’t bother to watch this video. Because of I highly doubt you actually care about the law or civil rights.
You're right, I wouldn't (listen to it). I saw that he didn't comply (don't care about his past), everything is mute after that. He brought it upon on himself
