I would think if booker got a better coach and better teammates, his efficiency would have been even higher his 3rd year than it was (obviously). It’s good that jalen went from complete trash to bad on defense, for sure, but throwing away his offense just because of that is silly.
Do law of thermodynamics don't apply to humans and their energy output? Did Jalen Green get injured from year two to three.to account for the loss in offensive production ? Did a Monstar alien ball technology zap some of his scoring talent from year two to three? Better teammates and a better culture from a coaching regime change can often suppress the offensive stats of young talented guards used to not having any expectations. Jalen Green would more than likely naturally progress his scoring numbers from year two to three if there was no new change in expectations for the franchise. If the Rockets came in with Silas expecting to win in the 20s, Green would have the rhythm and energy to improve on his year twp scoring numbers but team development and overall development of Green would stagnate.
Alright, we’ll definitely disagree on this. I think a better infrastructure helps much more than it hurts
I don't really want Booker.... but if we could get him for Jalen Green, Jeff Green, Steven Adams, Jock Landale, JaeSean Tate, and their picks, I'd do it. The Suns agree because they want their future picks back and every player they are getting back are expiring contracts so they shed a ton of salary in a hurry. The Rockets do it because no one they gave up really matters besides Adams and Booker would be a massive upgrade at the weakest spot on the team. Backup center would become a problem, but I'd just go small with Smith and Amen Thompson picking up a lot of those minutes if I couldn't find a league minimum guy to be depth.
Hence, Jalen blowing by his previous advanced stats in his first two seasons compared to it's third suggests that. Improving by 20 wins shows that. It's not going to show in scoring numbers for young talented guards given the reign of "let em cook, who gives a dick about defense" to "I don't give a **** how much you score, your ass better be giving 100% on defense or you are getting benched" level of culture change
first 56% to 54% TS% is a significant difference next Booker's shooting efficiency from year 2 to 3 was on an clearly upward trajectory, green not so much lastly and most importatly, during year 3, booker was the most effiicient promising youngin on the suns while green had 4 other 21 or younger promising players who had better TS% than him and 3 other 21 or younger promising players who had better DBPM than him
I don't get the wins thing. We got FVV and sengun went from mediocre starter to good starter, hence the wins. If FVV didn't sign, we'd have sucked last season.
you tout jg's 54% TS in his 3rd year right? there were 7 rockets playing significant minutes with better TS% than him 4 of them 21 or younger
While I agree with you that FVV, Brooks, Uncle Jeff, and Landale all had a significant hand in Houston's win increase, it's not insignificant that Jalen was doubled more than any other player in our roster by a long shot. That he has more gravity that any other player on a team that improved by 20 wins and that teams actively try to scheme the ball out of his hands IS relevant. I think the question we have to ask ourselves is that because Jalen is so good, or because similar to past years, the rest of the roster is so bad at turning advantage situations into points.
Players get doubled for different reasons. A lot of smart teams double players who are poor passers to create turnovers, it’s why you see bad post players get doubled, but jokic is almost impossible to double. FVV was the best player on the team last year, pretty easily. Sengun was 2nd best, easily. If the rockets had kpj or some other horror show at PG last season instead of fvv and that 41-41 turns into 31-51, and nobody is talking about the wins improvement.
Is that why you think Jalen Green was doubled? By that logic why didn't teams num rush Cam a dude who averages more turnovers than assists and hard double him?
No. While Allen is more efficient in his role, Booker provides a lot of usage while still being well above average efficiency. It is hard to provide a lot of offensive value when a player isn't average efficient. it is hard to provide a lot of value even if highly efficient with low usage.
So there is this magical cut off where being below league average efficiency means that every single player above that ts% is a better scorer? Can you expand on this logic? So KJ Martin is a better scorer than Green? Boban has a career ts% of 63%. Is he a better scorer than Green?
I don't remember seeing the data that shows Green as the most double teamed player of the squad. I hope you are not referring to that incorrect Stats Muse prompt which was shared here so many times.
Ya I think that's just amount of possessions a player had. Stat muse search engine didn't read the prompt right. Jalen got hard doubled in the month of March and some games before then where he started off hot. But if assume Sengun was the most double teamed and then Jalen. I didn't see much of the opposing team ever put a effort in doubling Fred. Fred is a smart playmaker and consistent outside shooter but opposing teams don't fear his ability to attack the rim at all.
For the people too new to basketball to know or too slow to have realized the obvious, a low TS% means you are a bad, inefficient scorer. A high TS% means you are efficient in the ways you score so you aren't hurting your team with how you score but doesn't necessarily mean you are a good scorer. It's like how being bad in the G League means you are definitely not a good NBA player but being good in the G League doesn't necessarily mean you are a good NBA player.
Yes, I can expand that logic. I doubt you'll accept it. Volume and efficiency both matter. A team has a limited amount of possessions in a game. Being highly efficient, but unable to handle much usage has limiited offensive value. Being very inefficient and using up a ton of possessions has limited value. Being efficient and having high usage has a ton of value. EPM isn't perfect, but here is a list of offensive EPMs for players you've mentioned or I've mentioned lately, or provide some context. Booker 4.9 High efficiency and usage Green 0.5 low efficiency, high usage KJ Martin -3.5 okay efficiency, low low usage Boban -2.1 garbage time Allen 1.4 high high efficiency, low usage Sengun 2.1 above average efficiency, above average usage Jabari -0.7 average efficiency, low usage. More or less, I think this is a good view of how I view players. Though, someone like Green if he can't become more eifficient, is going to lose on ball reps if he plays with someone like Booker tanking his offensive value while the low usage, high efficient guys will likely have a boost in value (like Allen did with Phoenix).
