Pure volume and the minutes dedicated to a #2 pick. It's all about opportunity. Yeah, there are flashes but overall, to this point in his career, I have to go with bad. Yes, he has redeeming qualities .... but that doesn't equate to max dollars for me. (I think this is the ultimate question this season). I think you have to let him test RFA .... and match what you are comfortable with - or not.
Take your own advice clown. By your logic of Jalen Iso and Shaq one made 3. F'n dingbat........then at 95.5 should be our guy first and foremost
"Objectively bad". That's the comment I'm replying to. I don't care how much context of modern era, opportunities etc, being top 10 in scoring average in NBA history before turning 22 is not "objectively bad". Why do you think I'm not saying he's one of the 10 greatest 19-22 year olds in league history? Because I'm applying the context you refer to and it downgrades him to "meh". Not "objectively bad". There are plenty of high draft picks drafted on bad teams given the opportunity and aren't top 10 in NBA history in scoring average before 22. At age 20 the dude averaged 22 ppg on 54% ts. That is scoring numbers of sophomore Paolo who is considered one of the top 10 rising stars under 25. We need to put some basic perspective here.
This is called a strawman argument. No one said Sengun was good in ISO....there's very few players in the entire NBA that are consistently good enough in ISO situations for them to be doing so frequently. Other players being bad at a really dumb play type doesn't make Jalen any better at that really dumb play type. Every player on the Rockets with a significant number of ISO attempts was just flat out pathetic at it.....which just says it's not a play type the Rockets should run for ANYONE. Going back to the chart, Cam was a good spot up shooter, FVV, Aaron Holiday, and Jabari were decent at it, Jeff Green was okay at it....everyone else was awful. FVV and Aaron Holiday were good PnR ball handlers, Cam and Jalen were decent to okay at it....everyone else was awful or had too small of a sample to take anything away from their numbers. Jabari and Brooks were decent as PnR roll men though Brooks had a small sample, everyone else was mid to terrible at it. Sengun was decent to good in transistion, everyone else was ass according to the numbers. Jabari and Amen were really good at putbacks, everyone else was ass. Jalen and Brooks were okay to decent cutting, everyone else was ass. Posting up, everyone with a significant sample was ass. Amen and Cam were amazing on handoffs, Jabari and Jalen were decent, everyone else was ass. Brooks was the only decent player off screens. Whatever miscellaneous means Sengun and Amen were alright at it, everyone else was ass or too small a sample for me to count. Take some time and see if you can understand what is being said to you because there's not a more simple way of saying it. You'll either have to improve your reading comprehension, or give up on attempting to hold conversations with your betters......or just stop being dishonest if the issue is you being a dishonest POS if you aren't actually the moron you want everyone to think you are.
Yes, it is objectively bad being a mindless inefficient chucker even if you are allowed to chuck enough to pad your raw scoring totals. You know this, but you are a dishonest POS desperately trying to push a KNOWINGLY false narrative due to a creepy emotional attachment to a single player.
Cam with those 1 possessions per game in pnr ball handling really sold you huh? If Jalen Green had one possession per game in pnr ball handling but had good ppp numbers you'd rightly say that sample size is irrelevant. That one possession per game probably is mostly when the game is out of hand and bench units are on the floor. Jalen Green was a good one ball handler. 9+ possessions per game and almost all of them against loaded.up defenses squared in on him. FVV and Green were the only guards who had pnr possessions planned into the game plan. Erroneous one possession sample sizes come accidently and don't say anything To say Cam is a above average good pnr ball handler when he almost always stops his dribble whenever the pnr defender tries to stunt his handle after the screen is crazy. If you can't even maintain a live dribble after the first couple of initial defenders bump you, you aren't an effective pnr ball handler. Players in Pnr ball handling possessions probably experience the most defenders trying to strip the ball from you per possession out of any other possessions type so the maintaining of a live dribble is one of the most important aspects of pnr ball handling. Anyone who watches the actual games understands that FVV, Green and Holiday were literally the only three guards who could maintain a live dribble in those situations on this roster.
Killer, you are such a weirdo obsessed fan, I wouldn't be shocked if Jalen has had to take out at least one restraining order on you over the years... I'd imagine his physical safety is more in danger due to cultists like yourself than from normal Rockets fans who simply refuse to buy into your false narratives. So, when I say someone was "decent to okay", you think that means that they "really sold" me? LOL, anyone averaging less than 1 point per possession on a play type REALLY shouldn't be doing it very often. Cam averaged 0.92 PPP as the PnR ball handler, Jalen averaged 0.90 PPP on the same play type. The NBA average points per possession was 1.145 last season to put that in context....the Rockets averaged 1.14 or almost exactly average. I don't really want either Jalen or Cam as the PnR ball handler on a significant number of plays because neither is actually good at it....saying "decent to okay" means that it's not the end of the world if they have a few possessions of that type, but they aren't good at it....it's not something you want them doing 8 or more times per game.
Are you referring to general possessions that include things like transition possessions? Pnr possessions are going to be lower than team average ppp because it's only utilized against set half court defenses. You are trying really hard to ignore the context of 1 vs 8 possessions per game and what is implied from that. That one possession per game is probably against bench units in out.of reach situations or just an accidental pnr situation where the defenses are probably not set or prepared to guard that possession type. The funny thing is if Green has only one possession per game where he was above average in efficiency in that possession type compared to the rest of the league you'd absolutely bring up sample size. You know this.
Your inconsistencies and two faced nonsense is obvious. You may fool others but I see through you. I'm done giving you attention you attention slut.
Lol are you trying to sound like some drill instructor here with "killer"? Dude I don't know if a person exists that dedicates this much time as you to hating a individual human where it didn't resort to physical harassment of that individual. You'd be the first person who dedicates this much time to hating a individual that doesn't eventually result in physical confrontation/harassment. So hopefully you are the first.
Are you really going to try to make a case that 0.90 PPP is good, or are you trying to make the case that the reason Jalen Green sucks is because we allowed him to have the ball too much? Or is your only goal here to try and bash a rookie Cam simply because he outperformed your lover? I get why you are so intimidated by Cam, but have no fear, he wasn't any good at being the PnR ball handler either.....which is EXACTLY what I spelled out to you before this most recent outburst.
I don't need to make the case when that is in the 61st percentile in the lewgue. You understand that means he's better than 61% of the league. Yes Cam's 1 possession per game is a small sample size that is irrelevant. Those possessions aren't part of the game plan and usually come by accident or during garbage time.
You cried when I called you "kiddo", so I thought I'd mix it up. To no one's surprise, you are back here crying again. Again, what you call "hate" is merely objective reality. Let's face it, it's only a matter of time before your delusions shatter, and everyone knows what often happens after that. You'll lash out at someone, hopefully just here crying....but there's no guarantee it won't escalate into lashing out at the object of your obsession. Hopefully Jalen has sufficient security to keep him safe from crazies like you.
Yeah, he showed his teeth and claws but usually was made out of paper, dat paper tiger. That no look 3 point shot when he was hot was the testament that he is all about flash and not substance. Showboating when he knows that a lof of his first 2 years was pretty terribly inefficient.
I think you're not quite understanding the metric. The number of shares to wins is arbitrarily 3. Changing it would only change the scale of the number. It is a common metric used to measure the effectiveness of a player in relation to winning. Your point stands though; no metric is perfect. It's especially interesting with Jalen because starters on good teams often have outsized WS. His is still very low even though he fits this profile.
I wish winshares mattered in the advanced analytics world because that would imply second year Jalen Green was a better offensive player than 3rd year Ant Edwards (his offensive winshare was higher in the 2022-2023 season than Ant) but no one takes winshares seriously in NBA analytic circles. It's not the MLB.
People show boat when their team is on a 10 game winning streak and they make timely impressive threes. Again why does your content seem so AI generated?
You don't need to use adjectives that are meant to patronize because you struggle with utilizing agency on others in your personal life and need an outlet . Just express your piece and move on.
