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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. ApacheWarrior

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    You know that centers tend to have higher FG% because guards drive
    and put up a shot, Centers crash the boards and get high percentage
    put back dunks after the defense scrambles to prevent the score from said
    initial driver.

    Compare points guards to point guards shooting guards to shooting guards.

    Their roles are the same.

    You don't want to compare 3-point shooting of guards vs Centers do you?

    And yes Centers should have more rebounds and blocks than guards also.
     
  2. bustamove

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    amen can play both guard positions

    cam is an SG

    Amen Thompson 0-3 feet from rim: frequency of .518 and a FG% of .714
    Cam Whitmore 0-3 feet from rim: frequency of .257 and a FG% of .642

    Rockets guards with most dunks per 36 min last season guess where whose stats are these
    2.28
    1.12
    0.66
     
  3. astrosrule

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    You value style of play way too highly. You said the same thing when miami played denver about how miami had all the wings and all that. None of that mattered because jokic is a god and butler is just really good, so miami got smashed. You put superstars together and your team will be awesome, the style and the fit is almost irrelevant. The only player on your list who’s definitely an above average starter is fvv (currently). EPM had jalen as the 31st ranked SG last season (from memory, could be off). Even if he breaks into the top 20, he’s basically playing the curry role in your hamptons 5. Who is the kd? They had 3 of the best 10 shooters EVER in that lineup.
     
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  4. bustamove

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    Jalen Green Curry
     
  5. daywalker02

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    I concur Jalen Yellow Curry and Jalen Red Curry (Stop Shooting Sign)

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    Always thought Fred reminded me of someone and it was a version of Nicholas Van Exel who was Pre Kobe and underrated in his time.

     
  7. Corrosion

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    Sounds to me like you are telling me NOT that Jalen is competent but that they are both well below the average for their position in this statistical category.

    Both Rockets starting guards being in the bottom third in 2pt% .... is there any wonder why the offense struggles ??
    Throw in Jalen being in the bottom third of 3 point shooters for the position and it's a wrap.
     
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    He is easily game planned against and taken out of the game..... at least Fred knows how to get others going.

    Times and times again, double teams have forced Jalen to commit endless errors.

     
  9. Corrosion

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    I remember that chart from a couple weeks back - it's not a chart of success rate or efficiency in each possession type, just the "volume" of possession type for each player.

    Essentially it shows what they are doing, not how they are performing at it.

    I will say this - Jalen has made tremendous progress as a ball handler from year one to year three - In year one, he couldn't be the only guard on the floor because he couldn't get it across the time line much less operate as the primary ball handler in the PnR. It was almost comical ...
    This past season, he was pretty solid as the ball handler in the PnR .... He made good decisions for the most part, got good shots for himself and others - he just didn't cash in on enough of his opportunities, again, the shooting issue rears it's ugly head.

    Still, I'd like to see him in that role more often, I think it's where he's at his best - when his shot is falling.
     
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  10. ApacheWarrior

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    You also said PG / SG 30 teams.....Jalen 39th in 2P% kinda implying he ranks outside of the starting 30

    but technically

    it's 30 PG's and 30 SG's tallying up to 60 positional spots. So 39th out of 60.

    I'm sure you meant that because you are such a standup guy. You wouldn't try to
    short change Jalen Green. Not intentionally, ya bum.

    Yeah one guy got about $10 million on a rookie contract while still learning while the
    other got $40 million.
     
  11. LikeMike

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    With Jalen Green it is about consistency and mindset. I do believe he has the talent to be a top 15- top 10 player in the league, but he needs to show it for a full season. He needs to put up 23-25 ppg on good efficiency and be able to get us a bucket, when we need one. He also needs to hold his own on defense and set his teammates up, when the double team or the help defender comes.

    No more excuses, and frankly no more patience. He now has a fully competent team, its his second year in Udokas system and it is a contract year for him. He needs to wow us like he did in march. I am still hopeful, but far from confident.
     
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    Teams forming the Hampton-5 are the teams going furthest in the playoffs.

    Styles are all we have to go off of.

    Many here want to think Sengun is Jokic and a big man has only one one championship in the
    last 15 years and I say it was a fluke year when everyone was tanking or like the Suns hurt themselves
    but gutting their team of Cam Johnson and Malik Bridges.

    Plus Miami was more points guards than wings in Gabe Vincent and Lowery. Miami should have run
    the bigger slower Nuggets out of the gym, made the extra pass to take advantage of Jokic drop
    coverage. Miami has since changed by bringing in bigger wings like Jaime Jacques and now
    Centered up with a Dereck Lively like center in Kel'el Ware. The tandem of Ware and Bam are going
    to defend the rim while run team out of the gym. Hampton-5 style.
     
  13. fchowd0311

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    The Green is frequency. The number is league percentile ranking in terms of points per possession.

    It's both volume and efficiency.
     
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    Miami never had a chance in hell against denver. They won one miracle game where they got an obscene amount of calls, that’s it. Only 1 or 2 people here think sengun can be jokic, it’s no different then the nonsense about jalen being jordan. Miami is completely irrelevant in terms of winning a title. Who are the teams that have tried to go the hamptons 5 approach? Boston? They just happened to have 5 guys who are between fringe allstar level and top 10 player level, it’s INSANELY hard to build that and happened because a team gave them multiple top 3 picks.
     
  15. ApacheWarrior

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    Yet Miami was in the finals.

    Denver played nothing 8th & 6th seeders.

    It was rigged.

    But that's the way it's going to be.....best healthy
    Hampton-5 lineup of deaths are going to
    dictate who wins upcoming championships.

    You don't see it but I do. My resume is far more hits than misses. Doubt you have ever guessed
    anything right that isn't part of the group think
     
  16. astrosrule

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    Ya miami put up the luckiest shooting run in nba history when they beat the bucks and celts, last season when the variance returned to normal they were their usual trash selves. Idk what you have guessed right, the main ones i remember were arguing with you about Brunson being better than kpj and how laughable it was you said Miami would beat jokic.
     
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    Very little.
     
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    How does Amen have the same 0-3 ft fg% as Green when a large grunt of his inside the restricted area scoring are offensive put backs, being a roll man, attacking closeouts, in transition while most of Green's restricted area fgs are off he dribble against set defenses?
    .how does that happen?

    How does Cam have a much lower fg% inside 0-3 ft than Jalen while his fgs in that range are mostly from transition and attacking close outs?
     
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    I'm posting this again because again, this is a much breaking down how a player scores to provide better context to things like 2pt fg%.

    Just to be clear. The color is frequency. The deeper the color the more frequent the player does that player per game. The number is league percentile ranking in points per possession for that play type.

    The one place this will throw people off is Alpi's post up efficiency being at the 45 percentile. That has more to do with most NBA offenses not calling up post plays by design and only utilize them when a stronger bigger player has a smaller weaker player pinned down in a mismatch. Sengun does post ups against actual defensive centers.

    It's very obvious here the one thing that really tanked Green's efficiency more than anything is spot up shooting this season. And his spot up shooting this past season was by far the worst in his young career.

    My theory: asked to exert a lot more energy on defense made his legs more tired. Also having his role be less certain got him off rhythm and Green for his entire basketball life got in rhythm through holding the ball and dribbling and taking off the dribble attempts. So hopefully it was just an adjustment period to get used to conditioning.

    Jabari needs to be more involved in setting screens and being a roll man though that high efficiency number could be just a result of low volume and therefore low sample size. He can get into a lot of mid post actions off those pnr possessions depending how the defense reacts.
     
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    Again, this is you essentially posting your child's report card when they got 3 D's and 5 F's as if that is to be praised.

    It's weird
     

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