A young athletic long quick bouncy career 33% 3pt shooter was forced by the coachingn staff to shoot more threes than attack and shoot twos?
Amazing highly thought of Nick Nurse had wonderful, All-star point guard VanVleet shoot 9 threes per game and be a spot shooter in that last year in Toronto. 8.8 threes per game at 34.2%.......ahh just like Jalen I can link you articles that year where they stated Scootie Barnes and Siakim scored higher as facilitators around the paint and Nick Nurse wanted VanVleet to be a spot shooter to create spacing. It failed miserably.......Nick Nurse moved VanVleet back to point guard when it looked like they were going to miss the playoffs. Didn't Nick Nurse know that VanVleet won a championship........together
It's called "taking what the defense gives you". Yes the coaching staff wants Green to let it fly if a defender lets say... Goes under a screen. If a defender fears his driving that more than his shot he has to take the shot they give. Jalen Green as a off ball he dribble shooter is mostly fine. His issue the past season was spot up attempts.
Someone points out a fact you can't refute, you instantly start up with the excuses for failure. Apparently they were so scared of him, he was bad at everything. It's a good thing they weren't scared of the guys on the team who were actually good at basketball...
Jalen: 97 93 93 Booker: 99 96 101 Not sure how this can be argued against, booker was putting up above league average ts by his 3rd year while jalen was 7% below
What's amazing here is that the chief Jalen cultist posted this thinking it was a good thing for his guy. It shows Jalen is absolutely pathetic when it comes to spot up attempts, shooting off screens, putbacks (but that's expected for a guard), and in isolation. It shows Jalen is essentially mid when it comes to being the P&R ball handler and decent when cutting to the rim or in DHO situations. It also shows that he's not actually good at anything at all. Looking at that report card, he's got 3 D's and 5 F's. Is that really what we're supposed to be impressed by? Is it supposed to be cause for optimism? When we're talking about the thing he does best according to this chart, there's 30 players in the top 10 percentile....and he's in the 69th percentile. Where do you think that ranks overall in the league?
LOL like Jordan Poole letting 3's fly because thats what the defense gave the wizards right? if the the defense gives a 33% shooter who wastes 5 missed 3s a game its a trap not an opportunity to "let it fly"
He needs to improve his outside shooting Absolutely. But 33% from three is the same value as 50% from 2. It's not ideal but it isn't atrocious. Let's hope 23% is going to be his lowest point in his career for 3 pt%.
but 7.5 attempts per game? really not letting other teammates with 36 to 39% 3pt shooting efficiency or 54 to 60% 2pt shooting efficiency take majority of those attempts is actually bad IMO the wizards actually think Jordan Poole shooting around 7.2 at 33% is so atrocious that they stopped starting him last year just as reference of the 30 players last year who attempted at least 7 3 pt attempts a game https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?CF=FG3A*GE*7&SeasonType=Regular Season&dir=D&sort=FG3A JP and JG have the worst efficiency below average after them the other 30 is above average my point is if you are a below avg 3 ptr, if you are actually self aware, smart, and have high bball IQ, you should have no business shooting more attempts from behind the arc than Jordan Poole
You know nothing of basketball Go back to playing grab @$$ on that sissy softball team. VanVleet at 0-3 feet from rim : lame frequency of only .093 and a FG% of .505 Jalen Green 0-3 feet from rim: frequency of .217 and a FG% of .692 And some wonder if Jalen Green is worth max. That panzy VanVleet is getting $40 mil to drive and score......draw the gravity of the defense. Anybody can kick out (pass). Your grandmother can do that; but can she draw the gravity of the defense?
so you for sure he's worth the max for relentlessly being unstoppable at the rim? Amen Thompson 0-3 feet from rim: frequency of .518 and a FG% of .714 Alp Sengun 0-3 feet from rim: frequency of .338 and a FG% of .690 These are the top 5 Rockets with most dunks per 36 min last season guess where your bf is at 2.28 1.63 1.12 0.68 0.66
You ignore the fact that FVV is a career 38% 3pt shooter, averaging about 7 attempt per game. That one season was an outlier. Apart from that season, he never shot worse than 36%, including his rookie season. Jalen Green on the other hand has never broke the 34% barrier in his three seasons on about the same volume.
Jalen has had to work with Every team game planning to not let Jalen posterize their teammates which would motivate the Rockets squad since day one. Jalen has to beat his man and then 2nd or 3rd tier defenders (because of poor 3-point shooters) because Sengun can't shoot 3's. Christian Wood and Eric Gordon iced him out and would not pass him the ball year one. So the paint has always been packed with defenders. So Jalen has had to go up hill, around mountains, through bear invested woods for the most of 3 seasons....when March happened and Sengun sat and the Rockets played 5-Out (Jabari at Center), it was a walk in the park for Jalen scoring. He saw the floor more easily, (less clutter) scored better and was much more efficient. He felt good in his own skin as a scorer and then in turn passed more readily.....knowing he can get his points any time. 1) he is too fast, quick, dribbles well enough to get by any defender guarding him in the league. 2) in 5-out action teams had to contest the Pick-n-Roll near half court because Jabari can bury the 3. Landale is willing to shoot the 3. Two corner shooters and Amen in the dunker spot allowed Green to turn the corner, see the whole half court, drive and score or (key words here) PASS THE BALL. Things were made a lot easier and simpler. Poor completion good competition it doesn't matter. The elements and ground work has been established. From that 5-out set, the Rockets can turn it into the elevator play, Horns set (near half court or 3-point line), weave (near 3-point line), Hand-offs, Pick-n-Roll, etc. Udoka can add off ball screens to free up other players that will slash to the basket for Jalen to hit or lob pass now. We (Rockets) can now look more like the Celtics when Udoka was there or the Warriors. I'm not worried about the passing.....the bigger thing was earning the gravity of the defense. Teams needing 3 guys to corral Jalen Green and stop him. Now Udoka knows what he has in 5-Out. And what he can do with it. So if Sengun plays 30 minutes.....that leaves Jalen 18 minutes to run in a "Hampton-5" type 5-Out lineup. Warriors used "Hampton-5" approximately for 15 minutes a game. If that Hampton-5 lineup is successful and slightly more efficient than Sengun being the hub of the offense, Udoka might dabble with 24 minutes of "Sengun the Hub" and "Hampton-5" playing 24 minutes. Some slight overlap with Jalen and Sengun. That's if they clash. Without Sengun (switch everything on defense) with Sengun (drop coverage defense). If no clash between the styles.......48 minutes of them coexisting and working together. ___________ define 50% of VanVleet? Jalen gets the rim with higher frequency and FG% Same with 0-3 feet. I believe same with 3-10 feet. Jalen scores more points So get the turnovers to what? What about TOV%? How many Assists? What about Ast%? I foresee the 3 main ball handlers being Sengun, Jalen Green and VanVleet. VanVleet was something like 81 NBA percentile in Pick-n-Roll while Jalen was something in the 60's. Jalen has improved something like 20 points each year in that category or play type. From low 30's to high 40's to around 62 NBA percentile as ball handler in Pick-n-Roll. I think he'll get to high 70's to low 80's in NBA percentile this season. With Jabari improving, Eason back, addition of Jack McVeigh and Reed Sheppard. Steven Adams setting mean screens. Oh yeah. Amen and Cam Whitmore should be better.
You've brought up this hampton 5 thing a few times now, you're forgetting the steph/klay/durant part of which, which we do not have. The hamptons 5 started 5 guys who will make the HOF, 4 in their absolute primes, and had 2 guys who are top 15 all time guys. That was the greatest team and lineup that the sport has ever seen. There's no real way to define "50% of fvv", it was kinda rhetorical. You just make is seem like jalen is near the same level as fred which is obviously bonkers
I've listed the stats of Jalen Green and VanVleet first 3 years and it's no contest Jalen kills VanVleet. Even when you let VanVleet get past those first few years since he was a undrafted player. Fred took his lumps as well. Lowery was also sharing the court with VanVleet for several years. I'm not saying our Hampton-5 is made of HOF players today. What was the Hampton-5? A group of Wings sharing the court at the same time that switched everything defensively.....they all dribbled, passed, screened for each other. Ball movement. Athletic dudes that got out and ran. They could shoot from 3, they could rebound, they could block shots, steal and deflect the ball. Draymond is what 6'6" and anchored them defensively at center. Durant moved to PF. Livingston to SF or 6'6" Klay Thompson, Iguladola, Steph Curry. What part of teams trapping Jalen Green at half court are you not understanding? Teams felt it was too hard to guard Jalen straight up in the half court that they had to trap him. Get the ball out of his hands. That's of the ultimate respect that only a few players get. Curry, Harden, Giannis.....Jalen Green. So Jalen at point. Amen can handle the ball and so will Cam Whitmore if we have decent 3-point shooting which opens up lanes for everyone. Tari and Jabari hopefully have improved. Jalen - Amen - Cam Whitmore - Tari Eason - Jabari Smith that's 6'5"........6'7".............6'7"....................6'8"................6'11" That lineup is too fast, quick, athletic, beasts on defense, can rebound, steal the ball, hit from 3's, block some shots, hit FT's, screen for each other. Run the court like gazelles. Swarm everything. If you look at box scores of all those games in March Jabari started at center but I'm reading that Amen was the main defender of opposing teams Centers. Amen mastered the dunker spot and was hit often as the roll man in Pick-n-Roll. You don't see it yet; but 15 to 28 minutes of some mix and match players on our team can make a heck of a Hampton-5 lineup. Pick and choose from: VanVleet Reed Sheppard Amen Jalen Green Cam Whitmore Jack McVeigh Tari Eason Jabari Smith Dillon Brooks Jock Landale These players can comprise a unit that will kick teams in the mouth, be Uber efficient on offense (off ball screening and cutters everywhere), ball movement, high flying act. Are they perfect no: Jalen Green defense can be shaky and Reed Sheppard is where Jalen Green was defensively his rookie year. Lets everyone blow by him. Amen and Cam Whitmore shooting? Cam shot poorly in summer league. VanVleet is a slow the Pace guy.....too cautious to protect turnover stat.
