Israel recovers bodies of six hostages held by Hamas, including American citizen

My resolve against Hamas hasn't changed. They still must be eradicated. That doesn't mean I approve of the way it is being done.

 

How would you suggest it should be done?

 

I've said how I would like it to be accomplished.

First the international community needs to work with Palestinians to have a government and structure ready. Then the international community needs to work to give financial and infrastructural incentives for the Palestinians to remove Hamas themselves. Israel needs remove their illegal settlements and pull back to the '67 borders. Their forces can then protect and fortify those borders as the world continues to help Palestinians develop a sustainable economy.

When Israeli settlers or splinter Palestinian violate these agreements don't let that throw off the process. Terrorists and murderers shouldn't get to determine the peace or lack there of for the rest of the Israelis and Palestinians.

 

Look at all those antisemitic, Jewish, Hamas supporters.

 

Bless your heart. This has to be one of the most naive things I have ever read.

Where is the part where you explain when and why Hamas lays down its weapons? What about all the Hamas terrorists who murdered people? In your naive proposal, what happens with them? Do they get amnestied?

"The international community needs to work to give financial and infrastructural incentives for the Palestinians to remove Hamas themselves" - the international community has poured billions and billions into the "Palestinians" - all they did was build up their weapons arsenal and terror tunnels to murder more Jews.

All the stuff you are suggesting could MAYBE be attempted after Hamas has been destroyed militarily. All their leaders gone, all the worst militants incarcerated - so that the Palestinians who want to be peaceful - however many there are - don't have to fear Hamas anymore.

Before Hamas' military capabilities are completely and utterly destroyed and their ideology is shamed and outlawed within the Palestinian population - as it was in Germany after the Nazis were defeated - none of what you are dreaming of can happen.

Netanyahu and the majority of Israelis see this and understand this.

You leftists can celebrate the protests against Netanyahu as much as you want, but they represent a vocal minority from the left. Many on the left, even if they dislike Netanyahu to their core, understand that any rebuilding can only happen once Hamas is completely destroyed militarily.

Let Israel fully win this war. Stop trying to delay them and trying to force them to fight with a hand tied behind their back. They must destroy Hamas. Then, and only then can rebuilding and reconciliation start.

 

That's the part where the Palestinians take care of it.

Israel's tactics create more hatred and set up the conditions that will continue to breed more and more terrorist groups which may not be Hamas but will still target Israelis.

 

They never have. Hamas needs to be destroyed.

 

They need actual incentives and a future worth fighting for.

 

There is deep mistrust of Netanyahu from a large section of the Israeli population. Not because they support Hamas, but because he has a long history of corruption and because they know his political livelihood depends on satisfying a far right coalition that thinks any eventual two statement settlement should be off the table. They believe he's willing to sacrifice securing the lives of hostages (by coming to an agreement on even a temporary ceasefire deal) in order to extend his own political life.

That said, I don't think there's political will from the right, center, or left in Israel to accept a permanent ceasefire deal with Hamas, and Hamas will hold out indefinitely for that (or until all their hostages are dead). Israel might be able to get back a small fraction of the remaining hostages with a temporary deal brokered by regional partners and the US, but anything more than that I'm doubtful will ever materialize.

 

Agreed. The "They" I was referring to were the Palestinian people that need to be the ones to get rid of Hamas.

The Palestinians need incentives and a legitimate hope in order to do that.


The Israelis are correct to not want Hamas to remain in power in Palestine. They have proven they won't be a leadership option which can ever co-exist.

 

He is correct about everything.

 

And again Biden and Harris have both pledged to continue to arm and aid Israel. Since people complain they don’t know what Harris’ policies are she said this specifically in her acceptance speech in the DNC.

Giving aid and support though doesn’t mean absolute agreement with the current government of Israel. No country ever absolutely agrees with another country and even the US and U.K. had disagreements over how to fight WWII. Many though don’t seem to understand that and interpret any criticism of the IDF and then Netanyahu government as no longer supporting them.

That only matters if you are more loyal to Netanyahu than you are to the US. As while there are many similar interests not all of his interests are the same as the US.

 

Such a naive way of thinking. The US with its military might couldn't end terrorists group like isis or al qaeda.

But Israel can end hamas with this war.

 

The reality looks different. Obama, Biden, Harris have financially strengthened the horrible Iran Mullah government (which, by the way, most Iranians despise), which is the ultimate sponsor of Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis. Biden and Harris also appointed several high-ranking hardcore Jew haters as "advisors".

 

The most dangerous boost for Iran's leadership was when Trump dropped out of the Nuclear treaty and now we can no longer monitor their nuclear program. That's far worse. Before the Iranian money was allowed to go back to Iran they had growth and more than a 400 billion dollar economy.

 

Yet they still send aid including military aid to Israel.

 

Fanning the flames from both sides.