Can't stop talking about Sengun, sengun only fans, lol. Reminder, this is a thread about Green. I recall several posters telling you that something is off. I don't recall anyone telling me that I can't read english, other than the ones that try to get ground when they have nothing. It is usually accompanied by a 'you are an player only fan, what do you know' attitude. oh, what a coincidence. I also made an english mistake for you to strengthen your beliefs. I am that kind .
I took a "Human Growth and Development class" for my profession. The average human stops growing at age 25....from that point on people usually start aging. Last time I looked 22 years of age was less than 25. Most NBA players peak at age 27 Some what's the problem? If Jalen Green gets to 189 pounds and has figured it out at age 22 (23 in February). Rockets will give him a couple of contracts to age 36 if he is as good as Booker. That's 14 years of good service as per Vince Carter, LeBron, Steve Nash and others. Only a fool caps a 21 or 22 year old player and says that's it! He won't get stronger, bigger, faster. MIchael Jordan came into the league at around 198 pounds age 21/22..... But with Jordan rules of knocking him down as often as they could, Jordan then spent the summer in the gym and came back with more muscle and weight. He probably got up to 210-215 pounds. That was about 3 years after college. Around age 24 or 25. So players can add mass and muscle after 22 years of age. Dennis Rodman grew about 6 inches after highschool. David Robinson was set to go to submarine duty for those 6'6" and under. Then he shot up 6 inches to a 7-feoter. Stop being a dingbat
I don't know why you are calling me brospeh, whatever that means. I think you think it makes you look cool. I think it makes you look like an idiot. Stop it if you want to have a conversation. You want to start an argument. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is a pessimist. What is your definition of a realist? Realist: a person who accepts a situation as it is and is prepared to deal with it accordingly.
You recall several posters that think I'm off? Well dang naggit, I guess I gotta revaluate all my positions It's very simple. Let me break it down Barney style: 1. Someone makes an extreme claim about Green like "he has the worst impact on offense on the team". 2. I show a stat from cleaning the glass that shows he has the second best on/off impact on team offense only behind FVV in this one metric which doesn't mean he is the second best offensive player on the team. It just means he is far removed from being the worst impact of offensive player on the team. 3. You, a person who joined this forum to be a fan of Alperen Sengun believe I'm trying to say his impact o offense is better than Sengun hence you are going on this tirade that I'm some unhinged only fan when I'm simply trying to combat the claim "Green has the worst impact on team offense". Why would you be offended by that? I can only assume it's because that stat shows Green with a higher number and you assume I'm trying to say he's better than Sengun. That why I assume you are triggered. That's why I think @AlperenSengun is a only fan.
"Anyone who doesn't agree with you is a pessimist". First, being a pessimist isn't some judgment on moral character. A realist can be a pessimist because the pessimism is earned through the "realism". Saying that you believe he's not going to improve much from here on out is a pessimistic. You can believe it's realistic also. They aren't mutually exclusive terms broskies. You simply believe the pessimism is earned. That's all.
I don't think it's fair to say that the threat of you breaking down the defense for jalen and luka are similar, because luka is a top 5-10 passer ever. He's also massive haha
Again, changing the conversation. I have no issue with your prediction. I have an issue with you dorks bending over backwards to conveniently whitewash 2023-24. I think Jalen is going to average around 25 points a game and play some solid defense, separating himself from the Monks and Clarksons of the world. I think we will see him used in DHOs FAR more often, where he has always excelled. But I also think last year he mostly played like dog-****, and I am not going to bend over backwards to make silly excuses for him, as you do. Or make up imaginary Udoka thoughts and cite it as supporting evidence. “April games didn’t matter” “He was tired” -(You know who you are…) Spacing, teammates, coaching. They served Budlight… On and on, tiresome.
Silly excuses for what? What claims are people making like me or mathloom that are excuses? For what? Is anyone claiming he's a star right now? Is anyone claiming he's better than Sengun right now? Is anyone saying he deserves a max contract with his body of work sof far? You are doing the same Shrodinger's optimism thing that others are doing here. People bring context to express optimism, not that he is a star right now, and you get offended. So why do you think Jalen will magically jump to 25 ppg? He's sucked. Been dog **** as you say.
If realism and pessimism are confusing the issue then I'll state it a different way. I think Jalen will do about as well as he's done in the past. He'll improve some but not as much as I'd like. I think he has to be traded if he doesn't hit 36% threes for the season. Other people think Jalen will show a big jump. We disagree. But my thinking he won't have a big jump doesn't make me a pessimist nor a hater. I just don't think he's going to have that jump. Without this jump, Jalen's a starter level player who isn't good enough for me. If he makes that jump I'll be happy that I was wrong. I'm not sure why you, fchowd, think you can predict how I'll feel if he does great. If you really think I or others will somehow be bothered when Jalen is as good as you think he's going to be then I'm not sure what to tell you. I didn't want Westbrick. I thought he was overrated. But if he had been great and won us a chip or advanced in the playoffs I would have loved him. Same with Dwight, Paul, etc. Why would it be different because it's Jalen?
The problem is that he's got one season left on his rookie contract and is still one of the worst scorers in the league when it comes to efficiency and shooting ability along with him being one of the worst defensive players in the team.... for a guy that foolishly thinks he's a max level player, that won't cut it. A decision will have to be made on him within 6 months.
I don't know your posting history enough to judge whether you will disappear if Jalen "makes it". I reserve that judgment for the people who dedicate a lot of time to hating Green where 90% of their post content is hating Green. That's too much time investment in hating a player to not feel your ego is hurt if you are wrong. We saw this in March btw. Probably the happiest a rocket fan would be in 3+ years because we were actually.playinf for something on a massive win streak and some very notable posters significantly dropped their post count that month. .logically you'd think it's going to be the time posters are going to be most active.
Luka wont blow by you, but he will back you down into his spot and the dude has eyes in the back of his head. Anthony Edwards WILL blow by you, but he's only a 35% 3pt shooter and he's not looking to pass first. Both guys garner about the same attention from a defense because of how they have to react to that individual talent. If the on ball defender is getting abused by Jalen time and time again even if Jalen bricks the layup or throws the ball away it still makes the defense react and come up with a contingency opening up the court for others. The hope is Jalen will start making those bunnies near the rim and simultaneously driving with the intent to pass once the defense collapses - oh and the elephant in the room making 2 or 3 more 3pt shots per week. It sounds easy doesnt it!
Luka also is a savant when it comes to reading the position of a defender's stance and what way they are leaning to use crafty angles and footwork to get by a defender. Harden was a savant at that too. Older prime Kobe was a master of this as well.
DHOs and slight improvements across the board. Another year with Udoka and Alperen. Also, the guy shoots so damn much, If he gets to average efficiency and isn’t shooting it at a historically inefficient clip again, he is going to put up some points. Also, contract year.
Why would he get to average efficiency? What makes you say this is a possibility? I've heard "three straight seasons of the same efficiency" as a counter to him improving. Why would you consider otherwise then?
100% -- and just to be clear for the Jaters this is no way a comp that Jalen = Luka. Its stupid I even need to put that out there, but the vultures are circling. We are talking about rostering THAT GUY. Jalen is a supreme athlete that needs to slow down and refine his basics. Watching him play with pace and aware of when/where to mash the gas was a welcome sight this summer. Making a few more shots per week FOR ME is incidental. As we have kicked around several guys who arent 3pt snipers and are still impacting the game at a high level. Call me crazy, cultist, stan whatever. There is no sweeter reward than to see your homegrown guys succeed especially those that have been baptized by fire.
An optimist hopes for the best despite what is likely. A pessimist dreads the worst despite what is likely. A realist expects what is likely. Expecting Jalen to become a star caliber player overnight despite 3 really bad seasons simply because it's not impossible is being incredibly optimistic. Expecting Jalen to get worse despite the slight improvement we've seen over 3 seasons would be pessimistic Expecting Jalen to slightly improve while still being a godawful chucker due to that exact thing happening the past 3 seasons is being realistic.
