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[ official ] Trump for president 2024

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Roc Paint, Nov 27, 2020.

  1. Commodore

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    Elected GOP Leaders Secretly Hope For Trump Election Loss


    In a new column, Politico reporter Jonathan Martin wrote: “the best possible outcome in November for the future of the Republican Party is for Donald Trump to lose and lose soundly.”

    Key individuals that have relayed their concerns in confidence include
    1. free-marketeers concerned about Trump’s tariff idea,
    2. pro-life lawmakers disconcerted by the former president’s pro-choice remarks and
    3. defense hawks worried about his stance on NATO.
    Trump’s antics of the past two weeks, arguing that acts of “routine self-sabotage” show that “the best case for Trump’s defeat may, predictably, be Trump himself.”

    “He’s incoherent on abortion rights, unable even to appear at a cemetery without creating a political mess and is so bothered by those who’ve suffered the wounds of war that he slights Medal of Honor recipients. And, running against a female opponent, he’s pushing blowjob jokes about her and his last female opponent.”
    While a loss could give Democrats more control, some Republicans argue it might give the GOP a better shot in 2026, positioning them to reclaim control of Congress.​
     
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    Neither one of you has a very good understanding of the immunity ruling.
     
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    The "I'm right; you are wrong" responses are **** posts ... versus ... the "here is why you are wrong" posts.
     
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    Feel the psycho burn ...

     
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    Here's why you are wrong: the President doesn't have the authority to kidnap innocent people and extradite them to a foreign country. That isn't in his job description anywhere. It isn't an official act of the President of the United States. I explained this in the immunity thread, but there are quite a few jobs that have immunity for official acts. The legislature, the courts, prosecutors, police officers, etc. Do you think a judge could kidnap hundreds of people and lock them up in a foreign country and be immune? The same applies to the President. He has immunity for doing President things, not just for doing whatever he wants. He can't go up on the roof of the White House with a rifle and start picking off people walking around outside. You cannot charge the President for doing things the President is specifically empowered to do: things like vetoing bills, giving the State of the Union address, deploying the military in compliance with authorization granted by Congress, appointing an attorney general, etc. You presumably cannot arrest the president for things related to those explicitly granted or "core" powers, like conferring with the Cabinet, seeking information on the potential consequences of passing or vetoing a bill. The president has no immunity for things which fall outside of his duties as President. That would be things like kidnapping hundreds of people and locking them up in Cuba or ordering Seal Team Six to murder a political rival.
     
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  8. DaDakota

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    Yep, Trump is bribable.

    DD
     
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    Sad thing is, I don't think the people voting for him would deny that.
     
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    They would chalk it up to his "business acumen" LOL....seriously though, Cuban is spot on, and I would not put it past him to take a huge bribe to do just about anything, the dude would bury his own kids if the $$ was right. There is ONLY one thing trump worships, the almighty dollar
     
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    I wish what you are saying were true. BTW, thanks for clarifying your opinion.

    If Trump declared in January 2020 that there was a conspiracy afoot to illegally steal the election, he as the top executive officer that upholds the Constitution has the power to address the conspiracy as he sees fit. Say some state ignored the will of the majority of the state's voters and sent a set of electors to DC to do the minority's bidding (because they can ... see Mitch McConnell what did to Merrick Garland). Due to how the electoral college works within a strict time window, the POTUS could indirectly impact the vote count and who ends up being declared the next POTUS. The POTUS actions would then be immune to current and latter prosecution(s), since he was acting within his official capacity.

    You might quibble that the POTUS can not send those he deemed as traitors to Guantanamo, denying them their rights to due process. I think the where is less important than the fact that he can. FWIW we sent American citizens of Japanese heritage to camps in WW2; I do not see the difference here. At a later date, the SCOTUS righted that wrong. But in the above case with the EC voters, righting a wrong 6 months after the fact will not change who sits in the oval office.
     
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    Except that US military and intelligence services have kidnapped people, detained and tortured them. John Yoo who is one of the architects of Project 2025 argued that such actions were not only official but justifiable
    Under the “Unitary executive”.
     
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    And to note the order to detain US citizens of Japanese descent was an official action of the President as commander and chief.
     
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    I don’t doubt this at all. I’m pretty sure some of Trump’s biggest backers like Lindsey Graham and Rubio secretly want him to lose. The problem is that so many of them are too craven and too worried about keeping both their own office and position in the party they don’t want risk opposing Trump.
     
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    The Biden administration accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of orchestrating a covert campaign to influence the coming U.S. presidential election and erode international support for Ukraine, blaming the Kremlin for targeting American voters with political propaganda and disinformation.

    The influence campaign, which American spy agencies have concluded is aiming to help Republican nominee Donald Trump reclaim the White House, involved Putin’s inner circle and included a scheme to surreptitiously bankroll an American media startup and direct Russian public-relations companies to promote state-sponsored narratives to influence the presidential race.

     
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    The U.S. Department of Justice on Wednesday said it disrupted Russian-directed foreign malign influence campaigns it referred to as “Doppelganger,” that sought to spread Russian government propaganda.

    The effort was meant to reduce international support for Ukraine, bolster pro-Russian policies, and influence voters in the U.S. and elsewhere, the Justice Department said.

    Separately, the DOJ accused two Russian employees of RT, the Russian state-owned media outlet, of a nearly $10 million scheme to create and distribute content to U.S. audiences while keeping the connection to Russia hidden.

    RT worked with an online content creation company in Tennessee, which was directed to contract with U.S. social media influencers to distribute its content on social media platforms including, TikTok, X, Instagram and YouTube. Since November, the company posted more than 2,000 videos that received more than 16 million views on YouTube, according to the indictment.

    The link to Russia was never disclosed, the DOJ said.

    The two RT employees, Kostiantyn Kalashnikov, 31, and Elena Afanasyeva, 27, have been charged with conspiracy to commit money laundering and conspiracy to violate the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

    "The American people are entitled to know when a foreign power is attempting to exploit our country's free exchange of ideas in order to send around its own propaganda," Attorney General Merrick Garland said Wednesday.

    The two indictments come as the U.S. has been increasingly warning about Russia’s efforts to influence U.S. voters through a variety of efforts.
     
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    some of the right wing social media influencers involved



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    caught red handed and now claiming to be a victim



    per the indictment, Russia was paying him $100k per episode
     
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    Then pass laws to limit X and FB spreading crap like that or hold them accountable.

    DD
     
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    99% of ads I see on Twitter are right wing propaganda, it’s insane
     
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