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2024 Season Astros General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by J.R., Apr 4, 2024.

  1. raining threes

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    Why is your need to know so great?

    He was going to be out as long as it took for the bone to heal. Whether they told the media, fanbase is irrelevant.
     
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  2. Wulaw Horn

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    I thought he fouled it off his shin bone? Isn’t that huge and think?
     
  3. Qan

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    As long as he's on track to return by next series at the latest...I don't care what the prognosis was. Would really like him back to start getting into the swing of things before playoffs.
     
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  4. Nick

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    Tibia's are larger than their counterpart... but bone instability is much like a building of sorts. Any cracks in the foundation can lead to full-on breaks that require surgery/etc.

    There's also tenuous blood supply to some of the areas, depending on the point of impact.

    Obviously not all direct hits to this are the same but ones this severe and prolonged have happened.
     
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  5. Newlin

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    A few years ago my elderly father fell down. We took him to the hospital where he complained of a sore neck. They did all the x-rays and MRIs and everything came back looking good. They put a neck brace on him and sent him home. His neck did improve a little, but he kept saying it still hurt. The docs told him it could take a pretty long time before the pain to go completely away. After about six months he still said it hurt, so they ordered more x-rays and it turned out he had a broken neck. They said sometimes it’s hard to see a small fracture.

    So, yes they can miss a small fracture. A bone bruise can take months to recover from. So, I can understand why they may have just accepted the diagnosis of bone bruise.

    I am curious about when they knew for sure it was a fracture. We expect pro athletes to get the very best in medical care. It seems like they would be quick to get second opinions if recovery is slow. But, once again. Recovering from a bone bruise may be very similar to recovering from a fracture.
     
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  6. Nook

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    All I know is that his era would be like .333 less if he hadn’t decided to call his own pitches in the middle of the game. Credit to him for not pouting afterwards and sucking it up.
     
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    We talk why the Astros are so awesome in Episode 77 of breathing orange fire. listen, rate, review and share (and enjoy)
     
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  9. lnchan

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    I want to have the same doctors you have.
     
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    That delivery is deceptive!!! Slow to fast through as one Texans preseason announcer would call it.

    Off Speed making guys miss by 6-10 inches.

    All the tools are there to be a dominant major league closer.

    He just needs to maintain fastball command and it’s a wrap.
     
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  11. Qan

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    Whitley pulling me back in...honestly everytime I hear about him. I'm hoping he keeps it up.
     
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  12. Cold Hard

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    I get the frustration that you and others with your view have...it did feel at times that we were being strung along a bit. And the Astros do have a history of being coy about injuries. But it's not uncommon to initially misdiagnose a small/hairline fracture, especially if there's inflammation. X-rays and MRIs aren't magic and even the best medical staff can miss things.

    Also, there is no need for fans (i.e. the general public) to know the truth about player injuries. Until yesterday, Tucker and his camp probably just kept the truth of his injury restricted to a short list of people consisting of need-to-knows and perhaps a few others within the Astros organization for professionalism.

    In the end, even though the offense struggled at times with RISP, the Astros weathered Tucker's absence pretty damn well - better than most of us expected. With him finally returning very soon (hopefully), I think it's time for you to let go of your anger and move on.
     
  13. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    He needs to listen to what Diaz tells him to pitch also. His pitch selection was one of his biggest issues. His pitch tunneling was also an issue until last season when the pitching coaches changed his slot angle on his fastball. Before, you could see it coming from a mile away and he was getting hammered on it. Now it looks a lot more like his breaking stuff.
     
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    Yeah, there is actually a need for the public to know. I sure as hell wanted to not be lied to and deceived. None of us believed it was a mere bone bruise anyway.
     
  15. Nook

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    I understand that this is the MLB - and that the League Office told every team that Luhnow is off limits - and owners are not going to defy that order.

    It is just too bad - because, contrary to why Luhnow says, it is pretty clear that Luhnow still wants to be running a team and he hasn't lost any zest for the game.

    I also know that the League Office is convinced that Luhnow knew everything the Astros were doing wrong - but people have done as bad or worse and nothing happened to them.

    For all the claims of toxicity (and there were a couple guys that were toxic), no one ever discusses that Luhnow gave opportunities to people like Mike Fast and many others that never would have been given a second look by the rest of baseball. He also was able to work with people, let them do their job where and when they want if they were successful - Kevin Goldstein is a prime example.

    Yet we hear about Derek Vigoa and Brandon Taubman and not about the many other people that were very successful with the freedom under Luhnow.
     
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    Yeah - until he is successful for a few season - I will have some skepticism based on the last 5+ years.

    Having said that - he has built trust with Murphy and to his credit, he has had a very good season and has made the changes Murphy asked him to after some serious learning issues.

    Some guys that have success let it get to their head any go back to believing they know best - the hope is that Whitley has been humbled enough to go with what objectively working. I also like that he is not chirping about having to start like he has in the past. He seems content to see what happens and trust the smart people around him.
     
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    Hader and Whitley could make a great 8-9 inning combo for the next 5 years. The future is bright.
     
  18. IdStrosfan

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    Regarding Tucker's injury - what's the point?

    Does anyone seriously believe that any if this changed how much time Tucker missed?

    Why is the nature of the communication so important to people?

    Just get back on the field as soon as is reasonable and none of the yackety yack matters
     
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    I'm really surprised owners don't use him in an unofficial consultative role or is that off limits also. Is the relationship between Crane and Luhnow broken or is it just PR to placate everyone. Crane must know that all this success was based on the foundation Luhnow built.
     
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