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[Official] Kamala Harris for President 2024

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sajan, Jul 21, 2024.

  1. Amiga

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    Just expanding on this: Harris made the statement that "America has record energy production and we are energy independent." Link below provides more details on what has happened, including data showing U.S. energy production exceeding domestic consumption since 2019. Additionally, the U.S. has been a net exporter of some energy sources under both Trump and Biden. Part of the record energy production today is due not just to oil and gas production, but also to "increases in renewable energies such as solar and wind and improvements in the energy efficiency of buildings and vehicles."

    PolitiFact | Fact-checking Kamala Harris on energy production, independence
     
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    I don't understand the connection between Trump and affordable healthcare. America has a private insurance issue when it comes to affordability. The gop goal of privatized health insurance being everything when it comes to our healthcare system just creates increased overhead costs and a third party middle man that has their own profit motive. Why have this arbitrary third party in health insurance that is just another party that requires a profit motive of continuous growth? And insurance is a business model where the more competition is ironically worse for the consumer because the insurance business model works on risk management through pools. A bunch of smaller pools of many different private networks means risk is distributed less. One giant national pool means risk is distributed the most and is therefore going to be the most cost effective towards the actual consumer.

    I don't know what this exactly refers in terms of metrics of what you refer to as "inequality" but I'm of the mindset of never using current economic trends to judge policy enacted in the past few years. The US economy has immense inertial properties which means recent policies might have some miniscule short term effects that might look good in the immediate, but shows their flaws down the road if said polices were to continue. As Americans we have been propagandized to judge polices of politicians based on quarterly numbers which I think is flat out stupid. Judging a national leconomy like a stock market is ludicrous. The stock market is a speculative thing where the stock evaluation has little to do with the actual long term health and suitability of said company. You see this with so many overevaluations of random tech companies.
    If you are truly a champion of the poor and underprivileged of this country then why push electric cars that most Americans can’t afford, especially since the infrastructure to support that kind of conversion is not available and uses fossil fuels to support what Infrastructure we have. Not to mention that China has cornered the market on the rare minerals needed for our current battery technology. Tax credits to buy electric vehicles does nothing for people that pay little to nothing in taxes already.

    When it comes to inflation, that has nothing to do with "shipping fossil fuel energy" overseas. What does that even mean? The inflation issue occurred under Trump and no, it had little do with his polices. It had to do with COVID and the resulting supply chain shortage. More precisely the shortage of microprocessors that effected a huge swath of the economy. I mean auto manufactures were limited in production of their cars because there simply wasn't enough chips for the ECUs of these vehicles. That's how ubiquitous the issue was. All I know about Trump and inflation was the dude was begging the Fed to have NEGATIVE interest rates in 2019-2020 which signals a larger issue with Trump. He has no care for the long term health of a society. Why would he beg the Fed for negative interest rates right before an election? No ****... to artificially pump up the economy.

    Let's not ignore another way Trump hypothetically can rapidly increase the rate of inflation... His mass deportation rhetoric. Let's ignore just all the moral dilemma with it. The economic impact of force mass deportations of our exploited illegal migrant class will pump up the price of basic produce and meats significantly. I hate saying it this way because I believe the number one actual issue with our immigration system has nothing to do with "white replacement" or crime but rather us exploiting a group of humans. That is the real issue with immigration... our exploitation of humans.

    Trump's tax cuts expired only for non corporate taxes. Ask yourself why. Anyways, we have decades of data that crap on Reagonomics anyways. Very few people buy the "tax cuts for the 'job creators' improves wealth inequality". The United States has a massive problem of career venture capitalists who don't have any actual skills besides high risk tolerance gaining massive wealth in investing in shares and then using them as collateral to take out loans they never pay taxes on. This is abject hoarding/ freeloading, These people cannot create their wealth without the systems in place by our government that provide security, infrastructure and a steady skilled labor pool from our public education investment. Last time I checked most of our career engineers in America came from our public school systems.

    What does the fall of Isis have to do with Trump? This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of ISIS. ISIS in almost all of its strongholds compromise mostly of foreigners who wanted to join a cult that promised things like sex slaves. That means unlike an entity like Hamas for example, it was very easy to galvanize local populations of Syrians, Iraqis, Kurds etc to fight off ISIS. The fight agaisnt ISIS had little US involvement. It was almost local militias, national militaries etc that fought ISIS. SO give those people credit, not Trump please.

    I would say the one sided diplomacy by the Trump administration towards the Israel without any input from Palestinians during the Trump presidency allowed for easier recruitment for Hamas.

    Terrorists are coming into the border? Buddy I've heard this narrative since 2002. There have been zero terror incidents in America that originated from terrorists coming through the southern border. Anyone sincere about the evil exploitation of illegal migrants would make sure all business owners who exploit said labor actual serve prison sentences rather than be cruel to a bunch of poor people and do things like mass deportations. Limit the demand of exploited labor by actually punishing the people with more agency and power that continue this exploitation system. But cruelty is the point of anti-migration rhetoric.
     
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    What the hell does small business owners have to do with wealth inequality? They key to solving wealth inequality issues isn't hinged upon the ability of restaurant owners being able to exploit labor. Wealth iniquity in America came from the erosion of labor unions, the Jack Welsh style of management turning large manufacturing companies into glorified finance companies etc. Small business owners aren't apart of this. They are ass well off as ever were. So ya I don't get how a restaurant owner having to pay their employees a wage that can sustain basic needs to live has to do with wealth inequality. Your business model is bad if you are struggling to profit because you have to pay your workers enough for rent and groceries. I suggest getting into a career field instead as you misjudged the capital and business model you have to profit and properly pay employees. That is a you problem. Nota problem for society to fix for you by allowing you to exploit labor.
     
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    In summary @Hemingway ,
    Small business owners who's brunt of their labor force for their business are min wage workers seem like the least qualifed to discuss wealth inequality issues.

    You aren't creating jobs that are worth a damn when it comes to tackling the modern cost of living.

    This county has a oversaturation of restaurant owners.
     
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    Democratic primary in 2020. When she ran for Senate. When she ran for DA. You know, the several previous times she's had to debate.
     
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    How did she do in that primary?

    Last I checked, Tulsi wiped the floor with her.
     
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    "... - and in that space between us, politicians and algorithms teach us to caricature each other and troll each other and fear each other." - Barack Obama
     
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    She actually drew so much support it lead to her getting VP. Tulsi wiped the floor with herself.
     
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    She dropped out.

    DEI hire.
     
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    "... - and in that space between us, politicians and algorithms teach us to caricature each other and troll each other and fear each other." - Barack Obama
     
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    She did. She wasn't going to win, but she gained the most during the debates. She played it brilliantly.
     
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    the fact this "snapshot" continues to list FL and TX as "swing states" is all the info I need to gauge its value.
     
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    repeat the line.

     
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    Hillary got nuffin’ on Kamala Kameleon.

     
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    "... - and in that space between us, politicians and algorithms teach us to caricature each other and troll each other and fear each other." - Barack Obama
     

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