Those April games didn't really matter man. Once the Warriors effectively eliminated us it became more about getting shots for Cam, Amen and Jabari. Green's usage and shot attempts dropped and Udoka was fine with it. Those kinds of performances used to make Udoka angry in post game interviews. He kept praising Jalen during those April games. There was an understanding there that leading us to 11 straight wins - regardless of the opponent - was incredible. Only MVP calibre players win 11 straight against weak opponents. He had to put in a herculean effort to keep us in the playoff chase and there was no consistent second scorer to give him a breather. You can't beat playoff teams without that. We started coming up against way more talented teams than us. We were a .500 team missing its top player which means we became a lottery team trying to beat serious playoff teams. I never thought for a second that Jalen Green can put a lottery team on his shoulders and beat serious playoff teams on his own. We didn't have the roster for that. I also don't think Udoka would voluntarily say Green figured things out if he thought the streak was an anomaly. Frankly I don't think Green would be a rocket right now if he thought that. Time will tell but it would take a lot more evidence for me to become more cynical than our cynical HC. As far as Jalen being the only one to not improve, I think that's baloney. Defense is half of possessions. 3PT shooting is less than a third of possessions. Jalen went from worst in the league to average in a massive category. Jabari improved his 3PT% a few points. Ridiculous to say Jabari and Tari improved more. It's just the classic 'fans don't care about defense' mindset but in the real world you have to be a top 10 offense and defense and that's been true across all eras of rule changes.
Totally agree with you man, it almost feels as though people don't understand the time and place for pessimism/realism/optimism in the world and want to remain in one of those modes robotically all the time. Such a weird thing. Anyway, I'm always up for a debate so it's all good. Thank you for the post and well thought out posts all the time.
I do agree with what you are saying, particularly that Jalen needed structure and coaching more than anyone else. I wasn’t talking about a particular situation but having something to say about literally everything, and to think that he had the worst of everything. It doesn’t mean that one would be wrong on all accounts but it certainly is not a healthy way of looking at things imo. What I am writing about is not Jalen himself but the arguments for Jalen and the blaming game that comes with it. You might wonder why I don’t react to some haters out there. Because I see 10 times more from only one person in literally every single thread, perhaps due to my ignore list. And I see many very reasonable takes being labeled hater right away. And then I am seeing wisdom about being measurable or literate. I hope this is over when the season starts.
Sure, defense is half of possessions. Unfortunately, it is hard to discuss a player's defense objectively because there is really no good metric publicly available that measures individual defense. Defense is a team thing and there is a lot of noise in defensive metrics, just like all metrics that are based on +/- numbers. I think most people would agree that Jalen has improved his defense. But by how much is basically eye test opinions, a.k.a. "in the eyes of the beholder."
As I said in the other post, I agree with your post. But if one is so much into going into the context, then you should go for everyone. For example Sengun moved to a new country, did not speak a word of English and was certainly not very welcome by the coach and was forced to play defensive schemes that he didn’t fit, was told not shoot 3s etc. You can look at things and just see the negative conditions if you want to. (Just to make it clear, I am not writing these to argue that Sengun had bad conditions etc.) Green having complete freedom in the Silas years had its negative effect but it also had a positive effect too. As I said above it is not realistic to think he had the worst of everything and much worse compared to others .
It’s convenient that the only month that counts for JG is March. Let’s hope Jalen himself takes more accountability in general.
Since minutes are part of development then Sengun development got nerfed bad being he was getting his minutes taken from the legends of Bruno/CWood.... Silas should have been playing Sengun 35 minutes per game off top, or as much as he could stay on (foul trouble) Silas/Stone was a lost cause and all the young ones suffered
This is a bullsh!t excuse. Silas offense generated the 4th most open 3's in the first year and the most open 3's in year two. The biggest criticism against Jalen is his inconsistent / poor shooting - He didn't take advantage of those open shots, hitting a combined 27% in those two seasons. That team in general was a poor shooting one .... and Jalen was a huge part of that. 27% on what amounts to uncontested shots .... that's a problem. I think Silas would have been a great coach for a veteran team that was contending - that he signed on to coach - he ended up with a roster devoid of talent / experience.
silas is a sht coach who hindered the development of all the young talents. Him forcing the kpj pg experiment was also a determinant to everybody. There's a reason why nobody is clamoring to hire Silas as a hc, cause he sucks.
It is a good point. I was totally talking about a general developmental point of view. It is no excuse for the bad shooting. I don't know if you followed the conversation but I was generally criticizing some posters having an excuse for everything and this situation exactly fits the bill. I agree that from a developmental point of view, Silas was bad for him, but when you say Jalen also shot bad, then a ton of excuses come along, like how he had to take bail out shots all the time, how he had the best defenders on him, how he had to create his shot all the time, if he is shooting bad why does he have the best on/off impact ... the list never ends. And then you are labeled a hater and accused of not being able to read the context, which somehow always works against Jalen and no other player has any context working against them and have the best conditions in the world.
It was bad because Silas let a rookie and sophomore Jalen chuck those shots up without any consequence..... This was like giving a kid the key to your china store or easily breakable goods store. And then say, oh good boy, you broke those things and it was a good thing.
The utterance of context to CONSIDER triggers you and that in itself is enough to label you a hater. Why do I say Sengun has been by far the best player on this team that deserves the max given his production and not Jalen so far and at the same time being these things up? Because these are merely things dto consider. That's all. It's a YOU problem that you turn this into a narrative of "excuses". Jalen Green has been disappointing relative to expectations. People bringing context to CONSIDER isn't "excuses" Your aggressive Straw manning is what constitutes you as a hater. It seems like you only will be satisfied if I make sure to qualify "btw Jalen sucks now" or else you see any contract given as an "excuse". You get too easily upset when people bring merely context for Jalen Green even when the people you get triggered by are telling you your hero is much better so far. That is stan behavior on your part. Please look inward just a bit.
Boy there was a time in Rockers history where that was the best thing to look forward to. Bleakest mini era in Rockers basketball.
Lol to all that. Of course I am a hater, how many of us are left that are not haters? There is nothing in this discussion about Sengun, Sengun vs Green or how I view Sengun. It is your only hope to bring to a player only fan thing, and use the excuse that my username is Alperen Sengun. That's really pathetic. Our post histories are up there. I am not the one who posts a hundred times a day about a certain player in every single thread. And you try to give lessons about heros ad being triggered, lol.
You have nothing of substance besides referring to how often I talk about Green. You portray me as having some unreasonably high opinion of him generating excuses. You misrepresent what I say and that Is why you are a bad poster. I bring up Sengun to remind you of my opinion of Green. And that opinion doesn't reflect how you speak to me and your meta conversations about how unreasonable my context is. Consider the context. Have a low opinion of Jalen. But apparently you don't since you have "high hopes for his future" as you said like a day ago. Which implies given his poor efficiency and poor advanced stats so far in his career you obviously are using some context in your subconscious when judging him because why would you be optimistic about his future given his advanced stats so far in his career?
Of course I am using some context, everybody uses context and that is how it should be done. But I am not thinking that context always works against green or 'my hero' Sengun. Your contexts are always working in favor of Green, in other words you pay attention and overblow the things that go agains him and ignore and diminish anything else. That is okay, until you call others not thinking like that haters. You might have a more balanced view of Green in your mind, but it doesn't come through much in your posts. What substance do you want? That you remember Silas rejime hampering his development but not acknowledge that his totals, which are one of the very few statistically positive outputs are exact result of the same regime. And then claim that some other players had similar volume with Green while shooting that poorly, which is for a fact not true, if you consider context!! As I said, my problem is that you only talk about context that hampers green, and that is called an excuse, not context when you oonsistently do it and in every situation. And again these comments are not about green. As I stated many times I am fairly optimistic about green and as long as he continues improvement, I think he'll get his contract, here or elsewhere depending on what our front office wants to do. I am not sure if he has what it takes to play at the top level, whether to bet on him or not is a decision by the front office, and I would be okay with it as long as he continues improving. And I am not expecting crazy streak numbers from him to prove that he is worth the max. Just solid improvement.
