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Solving Illegal Immigration

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by thumbs, Jun 15, 2018.

  1. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Or, instead of taking property and rights away from people that are not hurting anyone, what if we instead focused on addressing criminals? It isn't going to save a single life to disarm someone like Brandon Herrera, we would be doing so only to make the people that think the guns are the problem feel better. How has banning guns worked out to reduce violence in Mexico?
    So, if you know how to use a gun to kill, it suddenly is no longer the problem. Got it.
    The murder rate in the USA is about 6 per 100,000 and in Switzerland is less than 1 per 100,000. List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia
    Good news, the murder rate is half what you thought it was.
    You understand that gun murders are not a result of lack of training with guns, right? These are not accidents where the people are trying to shoot paper targets and instead hit innocent people, the murders are the result of people hitting what they are aiming at. It isn't a training issue, it is an intentional criminal act.
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    Background checks on transfers, insurance requirements, required safety courses and the like aren't a case of removing property or rights.
     
  3. StupidMoniker

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    Of course they are. Just like literacy tests and poll taxes are removing voting rights.
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Nope. Not like that at all since they would apply equally to all.
     
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  5. Xopher

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    He is once again proving it isn't just the Moniker that is stupid.
     
  6. StupidMoniker

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    Poll taxes and literacy tests are unconstitutional, even applied equally to all, because you cannot tax away people's rights or condition them on an arbitrary test. The same logic was used in Gideon when the court said you have a right to a public defender (you cannot condition the right to counsel on the ability to afford it).
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    But like with free speech, there are limitations. Background checks, restrictions on magazine size, aren't a charge.

    Do you propose free firearms for all of legal age?
     
  8. Xopher

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    Hmmm seems that whole well-regulated thing works for Switzerland.
     
  9. StupidMoniker

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    Background checks can be a charge (some places charge fees). Restrictions on magazine size have no constitutional basis (and just one such restriction was recently struck down in Federal court in CA). The limitations on free speech that the government are allowed to engage in are extremely narrow and tailored to prevent imminent harm. Magazine size would not fit in that type of analysis. We will see what the courts do with it, but hopefully we will see the 2nd Amendment prevail.
    No, because I don't support involuntary servitude. This is where I disagree with the court in Gideon. I don't support "free" anything, where free means paid for by the taxpayers. I oppose the government imposing restrictions beyond the free market. We have a right to life, but not to free food. If you want free food, go to a charity soup kitchen. We have a right to free speech, but not to a free megaphone. If you want your speech amplified for free, use one of the many freely provided platforms like YouTube. The point of rights is freedom from restrictions. If there were a charity giving away free guns, great.
     
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    Talking points in Germany are about limiting knives… unbelievable… as if that’s going to help solve the problem.

    How inept are these people?
     
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    Another topic trump was right on

    “they are not sending their best”

    See New York and Colorado.

    funny how Harris county jails are filled with Hispanic inmates yet the 5 o’clock news has black criminal mugshots. Why are these liberal cities news stations protecting or not reporting the crimes these migrants are committing. Basically throwing black people under the bus to protect the image of these illegals migrants. Thank god for social media and x
     
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    @ROXRAN
    @Salvy

    Venezuelan gangs in Colorado?
    Woke people think they are just there to learn how to ski and sing John Denver songs

    guns? Wokes probably blame a gun store which never sold illegal guns to illegals
     
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  13. Salvy

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    In Texas that won't go so well for the homies, people here have guns...
     
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    Hell yea man, it's just one huge conspiracy........................everything maga doesn't like or agree with is a CONSPIRACY...............the whole world is against maga

    Drink that kool aid my man

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    @Salvy
    This video is suppose to be here
    My bad Gov Newsom
    This is on Biden and Harris
    @edwardc
     
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  19. rocketsjudoka

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    We absolutely should be trying to make illegal
    Immigrants legal immigrants. It will be much better for our economy if they come out of the underground economy and become legally working tax payers. In the other side trying to round up millions and deport them
    Is going to be costly and likely very difficult if not impossible to do.
     
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  20. JHarden713

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    So why have the legal immigration/process at all then, if people can just walk across the border and become legal residents? Sorry but thats absurd.
     

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