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Solving Illegal Immigration

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by thumbs, Jun 15, 2018.

  1. StupidMoniker

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    Yes, they probably are if they think guns cause violence. Switzerland has a ton of guns, among the highest per capita in the world, but relatively little violence. Mexico is incredibly violent and has strict gun control. The homicide rate in Mexico is 50 times higher than in Switzerland, even though Switzerland has mandatory gun ownership and Mexico has outlawed guns. The UK has very strict gun control, but their homicide rate is over twice that of Switzerland. Why aren't all the Swiss guns killing people? It is because the Swiss people aren't killing people.

    Here is another problem with the theory that it is the guns that are the problem. Non-Hispanic white people have by far the highest rate of gun ownership in the United States, but their homicide rate is roughly on par with places like the UK, where gun ownership is strictly controlled. Some other groups in the United States with lower rates of gun ownership have much higher homicide rates. If guns are the problem, why does gun ownership not strongly correlate with homicide rate? Do the white Americans own special guns that don't kill people?
     
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    How did those in Switzerland get their guns?
     
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    What percentage of school shooters are white males?

    Not to downplay gang on gang type of shooting events, but not all shootings are created equal.

    So no white men are not immune to the problem of guns leading to violence.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

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    The fact is guns are a tool. Just because I buy a table saw that doesn't mean i intend to build kitchen cabinets, but it is a tool that has a purpose of carpentry. Guns are a tool with the purpose of killing things. They weren't built and manufactured for the purpose of target practice or hand eye coordination.

    I just have to ask what is so wired wrong in your brain to where your "hobby" is so damn important to you that you think the sunk cost of children's lives being ended every year in mass shootings is worth it just so you can shoot beer cans on your dad's property???

    Especially from someone who is so damn high and mighty about being a PURE Libertarian. What is freedom if not freedom and liberty from some maniac waking up and deciding he wants to go to my kids school, and murder them??? What you are describing is elitism more than liberty. My personal hobby is much more important than the safety of your kids. Because I am not enough fun to find joy fishing, or playing fantasy football or whatever being able to go blow up been cans is paramount to your kids right to be FU$KING alive.

    And then to sit here and lecture us about how WHITE MEN are actually the good guys here when it comes to gun related deaths????

    Again...

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

    Get out of here with your high and mighty LIBERTARIAN purity. You are nothing more than an entitled brat in the end.
     
  5. StupidMoniker

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    They are issued them.
    A relatively small number proportionate to their population. Black students are hugely overrepresented as both shooters and victims in school shootings. 10 years. 180 school shootings. 356 victims. CNN examined 10 years of shootings on K-12 campuses across the US.
    You're right, some are sensationalized even though they are essentially statistically insignificant, while others are downplayed even though they make up the majority of gun murders in America.
    Guns don't lead to violence, that is the point. Guns are a tool. Violent people lead to violence. And yes, there are violent white people. No one has said there are not.
    Are you aware that white people make up 60% of the US population but only 54% of your chart (which uses one particular definition of mass shooting, results are differents if you use the Gun Violence Archive definition, for example). Black people are 12% of the population and make up 17% of your chart. Oops.

    Saws are most commonly used to cut wood. Guns are most commonly used to punch small holes in paper or bounce lead off of steel (certainly in America). Tons of guns are designed and marketed to people who have no intention to ever use them to kill and who never do use them to kill.
    Sorry, I haven't touched a gun in years, haven't fired one in over a decade, and have never owned one. They are not my hobby, I am just not statistically illiterate.
    Good guys when it comes to gun related deaths are those that prevent them (sometimes by killing those who are trying to cause them to other people. I am lecturing you about who are more commonly the bad guys.
    Yes, the chart you couldn't figure out supported my point and not yours, and you posted it twice.
    You are incredibly unlikely to lose your children to gun violence. Yes, the liberty of people to own guns is much higher than the liberty to avoid the very small chance that someone will kill your child (or the even smaller chance that they would kill your child if guns are legal, but would not do so if guns were illegal. You do not at all understand liberty if you think imposition of controls for marginal potential increases in safety is liberty.
     
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    So guns aren't the main problem in the United States. But since people are unwilling or unable to address and undertake the steps to discover and correct the problem, then sensible restrictions might be part of the best solution.
     
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    Yes. They are issued them, from when they were TRAINED in the military.
     
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    They don't get that by taking guns away you're only hurting the law-abiding citizens. Criminals will get it no matter what law you have in place, a law-abiding citizen would not.

    Imagine a place like Texas where most people are armed, n they still break into people's houses knowing they might lose their life over it, imagine at what rate they would be breaking-in if they knew people aren't armed. Skyrocketing
     
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    @Salvy

    how did these illegals get guns in Colorado? Aurora?
    Criminals will always find guns illegally.

     
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    LOL
     
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    In the honor of Joe Horn (neighbor of the year), shooting 'em 2 illegals dead in Pasadena, TX



    Remember that? "Oo you're dead"
     
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    America has like 5X as many guns per capita than Switzerland does.

    The murder rate in the USA is like 10-11 per 100,000 and 6-7 per 100,000 in Switzerland.

    So, it isn't really all that different per capita, and the difference is quite possibly because we have 5 times as many firearms.

    Also Switzerland has mandatory conscription, and those that are conscripted have to keep their firearms, and that is where a lot of the gun ownership in Switzerland comes from - reserves and officers keep their guns until they are no longer in the reserves. All of these people are very well trained in guns use and in the USA a lot of states don't even require any training.
     
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    EVERYBODY RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡! ¡! ¡¡! ¡! ¡!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    They can keep all of the illegals they want; we'll ship 'em some too. But the wall is going up in the great state of Tejas :D
     
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    What if they make getting guns illegally illegal?
     
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