Play this game and then we have to acknowledge that countries like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia abuse their women less than Americans. You want to play that game? You want to use the logic you incorporated in this tweet?
I don't disagree with you - just wondering, is there a much more detailed breakdown of where/how/ among which population groups etc. these deaths occur? Not that it would be any less horrible, but I would selfishly be interested in understanding how to best minimize risk. When we were about to move to the US, I mentioned to an American friend that the one thing I was most concerned about were school shootings. He said, well, look at the stats, there were like 800 in a certain timeframe (can't remember exactly), but only 3 of them were at private schools.
Have you ever had any curiosity about any of these tweets you vomit onto this board? 29,000 divided by about 8 million public school employees = 0.36% 201 divided by about 37,000 priests = 0.54%
Thank you, this is an interesting post. From your link: "What types of work do people employed in schools do? Of those 8 million, 66 percent work in educational instruction and library roles, including 3.6 million teachers and over 1 million teaching assistants. About 350,000 people (or about 4 percent of the school workforce) work in the management of schools, almost 500,000 (or 6 percent) work in administrative support, 330,000 (4 percent) work in building and grounds cleaning and maintenance, and 315,000 (almost 4 percent) work in food preparation and service. Other occupations in schools, including transportation, health care, and financial operations jobs, employ 1.2 million people, or over 15 percent of everyone working in schools." So if you deduct the people who aren't normally really directly in contact with the children (admin, grounds cleaning, maintenance, financial operations, etc.) and only count the teachers and teaching assistants as a comparable equivalent to priests in terms of direct contact with children, you arrive at: 29,000 divided by 4.6 million = 0.63 % You are showing data that indicates that public school teachers are slightly more dangerous to children in terms of sexual abuse than Catholic priests. (And of course, in relation to the thread title - I would argue that this is one of the cases where the absolute number of people affected by the offending behaviour is more important than the proportion of people engaged in the offending behaviour. In absolute figures, many more children get abused sexually in public schools than by Catholic priests.) Thank you again for your educational post. I learned something new today.
See, the tweet triggered an interesting discussion. I am trying to find sources for the numbers. But logically, the "public school employees" would need some kind of contact with the children in order to commit their crimes. Surely you are not trying to argue that the financial operations people and the like commit the majority of the cases?
With crimes like these, it is hard to find exact numbers, since (sadly) I am sure that a large percentage of cases go unreported. Here is an interesting article that says that about 10 % of all students will have experienced some kind of educator sexual misconduct by the time they graduate high school. And more than 80 % of that is committed by teachers or gym trainers/sports coaches. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...ucator-sexual-misconduct-remains-prevalent-in While the tweet is of course provocative, just looking at the data available, two things seem clear: In absolute figures, public school educators commit many many times more sexual abuse of children than priests As a proportion of cases vs. number of educators/priests, the percentage doesn't seem multiple times apart I genuinely did not know either of this - when looking at media reporting (and the title of this thread), one could have thought that a) cases of sexual abuse in the church are as high or higher compared to what goes on in schools and that b) percentage-wise, priests abuse more than public school educators. Neither seems to be correct. As I said, learned something new today. Thanks again @Jugdish.
No, but that was only one of the positions included in the 1.2 number. The others were bus drivers and healthcare, who do have access to children.
Brah your units are wrong. The article says "employees". Your denominator needs to have "employees". Not "teachers". And this is irrelevant to the documented evidence of organizations like the SBC, Catholic Church, IBLP, conservative Muslim communities etc each with strong "women must obey men" energy with very strong patriarchal hierarchy creates accountability issues as the women are afraid to speak up and the girls in the community are naughty taught what sexual assault looks like where they are closed off to the outside secular world where men in power can abuse without accountability until some serious investigative journalism that usually requires people within these communities to risk their safety to leak. And all these type of communities show documented evidence of an explicit behavior to cover up and most importantly victim blame the victim. In many of these communities, hey are taught that if a child is sexually abused by the father, it is the first of the wife that she didn't please her husband enough. Literally. These are the type of places where the most sexual abuse occurs. Public School reporting is far more thorough and open to the public than these closed off religious communities like very religious homeschooling communities. It's not the amount of cases reported that is important here in relative terms. The important part is the documented evidence of cover ups and victim blaming. Any large scale interaction between adults and children like in a school setting of a household setting, is going to inevitably result in sexual assault cases towards minors. The important part is how do these organizations deal with them.
Do you think the data between those countries and the US is accurate enough to make comparisons though? Short of things like murder (and even then it gets messy) the reporting/keeping/categorizations of crime statistics vary greatly between countries. For example how likely is it that Sweden rapes at a rate of 3300% more than that of India?
That's exactly my point. Now which place do you think is going to have a better reporting system with better accountability? Public School system or private religious communities where part of their beliefs system is " women must obey men"? Usually communities or private organizations that have a strong hierarchical structure of an unaccountable group at the top like the men of a conservative religious community, the more likely sexual abuse of minors will not be reported.
I think he was being facetious. If you look at raw numbers he is correct. We all know the numbers concerning Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are incorrect. I BELIEVE that is the point he was making. I could be wrong though.
Outside of that aspect, I think kids spend immensely fewer hours at church in comparison to school as well. Also considering just 20% of the US is reportedly catholic, and how many of those are specifically who kids consistently attend church. Yeah the tweet he was responding to didn't load up for me so I didn't understand the context.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/abuse-of-faith/ A CHRONICLE INVESTIGATION In the past 20 years, a disturbing number of Southern Baptists with formal church roles have engaged in sexual misconduct, a new investigation by the Houston Chronicle and San Antonio Express-News reveals. They were pastors. Deacons. Youth pastors. They left behind more than 700 victims. Read and hear the stories of those victims, and learn the depths of the crimes and misconduct of the church leaders they trusted.
And obviously public schools aren't perfect. There are just so many individual school districts and almost every child in the country attends one, there will obviously be individual scandals at specific school districts. I'm sure there are individual school districts that did do some covering up. But it obviously isn't as prevalent with the shear amount of investigative journalism uncovering these cover up scandals in private religious communities.
I believe that guns are way more dangerous than pedophile cases, but yeah, that is also a huge problem..
You make a valid point - the definition of rape in Sweden is much wider than in other places. But actual rapes in Sweden have also gone up significantly. There is a very specific demographic of young men that's mostly responsible for that.
To answer my own question (now that I am back at a computer to quickly do the research): https://publications.aap.org/pediat...irearm-Deaths-Among?autologincheck=redirected In 2021, among children who died by firearms, 84.8% were male, 49.9% were Black, 82.6% were aged 15 to 19 years, and 64.3% died by homicide. Black children accounted for 67.3% of firearm homicides, with a death rate increase of 1.8 from 2020 to 2021. White children accounted for 78.4% of firearm suicides. From 2020 to 2021, the suicide rate increased among Black and white children, yet decreased among American Indian or Alaskan Native children. Geographically, there were worsening clusters of firearm death rates in Southern states and increasing rates in Midwestern states from 2018 to 2021. Across the United States, higher poverty levels correlated with higher firearm death rates (R = 0.76, P < .001).
