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[Official] Kamala Harris for President 2024

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  1. Rocketeer

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    That's inaccurate. North Korea significantly reduced their ballistic missile launches. They shot off 20 in 2017 and 0 in 2018. They launched some short-range missiles but no one was worried about those.

    Also it's not true the war games were suspended either. They still went on, just were reduced as a gesture of good will to NK, who responded with not launching ballistic missiles
     
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    Is this what you think actually happened?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_Korean_missile_tests
    February 11, 2017 North Korea test-fired a Pukkuksong-2 missile over the Sea of Japan. This was the first launch of the new medium-range ballistic missile.[32][33][10]
    March 6, 2017 North Korea launches four ballistic missiles from the Tongchang-ri launch site in the northwest.[34] Some flew 620 mi (1,000 km) before falling into the Sea of Japan.[35][10]
    April 4, 2017 North Korea test-fired a medium-range ballistic missile from its eastern port of Sinpo into the Sea of Japan[36][37][10]
    April 15, 2017 North Korea test-fired an unidentified land-based missile from the naval base in Sinpo but it exploded almost immediately after the takeoff.[38][39][40][41]
    April 28, 2017 North Korea test-fired an unidentified missile from Pukchang airfield.[42][43] The missile, believed to be a medium-range[44] KN-17 ballistic missile,[42]faltered and broke apart minutes after liftoff.[44][45][46]
    May 13, 2017 North Korea test-fired a Hwasong-12[47] missile from a test site in the area of Kusong.[48] The missile, later revealed to be an intermediate range ballistic missile,[49] traveled 30 minutes,[50] reached an altitude of more than 2,111.5 km, and flew a horizontal distance of 789 km (490 mi), before falling into the Sea of Japan.[49] Such a missile would have a range of at least 4,000, reaching Guam, to 6,000 km.[48][47]

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    May 21, 2017 North Korea test-fired another Pukkuksong-2medium-range ballistic missile from Pukchang airfield,[51][52] which traveled approximately 500 km (310 mi) before falling into the Sea of Japan.[53] The missile landed about 350 km (220 mi) from North Korea's east coast.[53]
    May 29, 2017 North Korea fired a short range ballistic missile into the Sea of Japan. It traveled 450 km.[54]
    June 8, 2017 North Korea fired several missiles into the Sea of Japan. They are believed to be anti-ship missiles.[55]The South Korean military said the launches show the reclusive regime's "precise targeting capability."[56]
    June 23, 2017 North Korea tested a new rocket engine that could possibly be fitted to an intercontinental ballistic missile.[57] This engine was later believed to be for the second stage of the Hwasong-15, first flown later in 2017.[58][59]
    July 4, 2017 North Korea tested its first intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) named Hwasong-14 on July 4.[60][61]It launched from the Panghyon Aircraft Factory 8 km southeast of Panghyon Airport.[62] It was aimed straight up at a lofted trajectory and reached more than 2,500 km into space.[63] It landed 37 minutes later,[64] more than 930 km from its launch site,[65]into Japan's exclusive economic zone.[66] Aiming long, the missile would have traveled 7,000–8,000 km or more, reaching Alaska, Hawaii, and possibly Seattle.[64][67][68][69][70] Its operational range would be farther, bringing a 500 kg payload to targets in most of the contiguous United States 9,700 km away.[71][72][73]
    July 28, 2017
    The 14th missile test carried out by North Korea in 2017 was another ICBM launched at 23:41 North Korea time (15:41 GMT) from Chagang Province in the north of the country on July 28, 2017. Los Angeles, Denver, Chicago, Boston, and New York City appear to be within range.[74] The missile's reentry vehicle (RV) was seen by people in Japan as it entered the atmosphere and landed near the northernmost Japanese island, Hokkaido.[75][76]Analysis later revealed that the RV broke up on re-entry; further testing would be required.[77] The CIA made an assessment expecting adequate performance of the RV under the different stresses of a shallower trajectory towards the continental US.[78]
    August 26, 2017 North Korea test-fired three short-range ballistic missiles from the Kangwon Province on August 26. Two travel approximately 250 kilometers in a northeastern direction and one explodes immediately after launch.[79]
    August 29, 2017 On August 29, 2017, at 6 AM local time, North Korea launched a ballistic missile over Northern Japan.[80]The missile's short and low trajectory and its breakup into three pieces is consistent with the failure of a heavy post-boost vehicle.[81]
    September 15, 2017 North Korea launched a ballistic missile on September 15 from Sunan airfield. It reached a height of 770 km and flew a distance of 3,700 km for 17 minutes over Hokkaido before landing in the Pacific.[82]
    November 28, 2017 North Korea launched an ICBM from the vicinity of Pyongsong at 1:30pm EST/3:00am Pyongyang time. The rocket traveled for 50 minutes and reached 2,800 miles (4,500 km) in height, both of which were new milestones. The missile flew 600 miles (970 km) east into the Sea of Japan; unlike summer launches, the Japanese government did not issue cellphone alerts to warn its citizens. North Korea called it a Hwasong-15 missile. Its potential range appears to be more than 8,000 miles (13,000 km), able to reach Washington and the rest of the continental United States and Australia.[83][84][85] Much about the missile is unknown. The missile might have been fitted with a mock warhead to increase its range, in which case the maximum missile range while carrying a heavy warhead might be shorter than 13,000 km. Based on satellite imagery, some experts believe that North Korea may now be able to fuel missiles horizontally, shortening the delay between when a missile becomes visible to when it can be launched.[83] The rocket is believed to have broken up on re-entry into the atmosphere.[86]

    All of that was during Trump's first year in office.


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    But there's more.
    May 4, 2019 North Korea launched several short-range projectiles from the vicinity of Wonsan on the country's east coast,[87] initial speculation as possibly a Russian Iskander missile which can make course corrections during its flight.[88] Later designated as KN-23.[89]
    May 9, 2019 North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles[88] from the vicinity of Sinori in North Pyongan Province (launch area also, in another source, identified as Kusong[88]) at 4:29 p.m. and 4:49 p.m. local time.[90]
    July 25, 2019 North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles, believed to be of a new design.[91]Demonstrated maximum range is 690 km.[92]
    July 31, 2019 North Korea launched "several" short-range ballistic missiles.[93]
    August 2, 2019 North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles at 2:59 a.m. and 3:23 a.m. local time.[94]
    August 24, 2019 North Korea launched two short-range ballistic missiles from Sondok in South Hamgyong Province. Both fell in the Sea of Japan.[95]
    September 10, 2019 North Korea launched two short-range projectiles from Kaechon shortly after proposing to resume denuclearization negotiations with the US. Both the projectiles fell into the sea off the North's east coast.[96]
    October 2, 2019 North Korea test-fired a new-type submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) in the waters off Wonsan. The Republic of Korea Armed Forces said the missile, which was dubbed Pukguksong-3, flew about 450 kilometers and reached a maximum altitude of 910 kilometers, making it an intermediate-range ballistic missile. It fell into the exclusive economic zone of Japan off Shimane Prefecture. North Korea said the launch was successful.[97][98]
    October 31, 2019 North Korea test-fired two short-range projectiles from Sunchon at 4:35 p.m. and 4:38 p.m. Both flew around 370 km and reached a maximum altitude of 90 km before falling in the Sea of Japan.[99]
    November 28, 2019 North Korea test-launched two "short-range projectiles".[100] Rocket exhaust was visible from Russia.[101]
    March 2, 2020 North Korea carried out test-launch of two unidentified projectiles from eastwards over the sea from the Wonsan area on the east coast. Projectiles are equipped with an operational range of 240 kilometres, and capable to flew a height of 35 kilometres.[102]
     
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    It's enough N, Korea missile activity to fill three posts, and several new advances in their program.
     
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    You didn't disprove anything I said though and in fact helped me out because 2018 looks pretty damn quiet and that was the year Trump had the summit with NK in Singapore. I already mentioned they continued with the short range missiles (what fill up 2019 except for 1 incident) after the summit, but they didn't shoot off the longer range ones they were doing in 2017.
     
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    RINOS


    Trump has remade the Republican to include all races and every background. The all-white Rino Republican Party is dead and gone

    Liz Cheney and mitt Romney will be democrats in 5 years

    love seeing Byron Donald and Daniel Cameron plus a bunch of other young black like Royce White embrace Maga
     
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    Yep. The Democrat party is ironically becoming whiter and more for war, while the Republican Party is becoming more Brown/Black and less about war, more about health and environmental causes (see East Palestine).

    It'll be more apparent to people after the election when Trunp has 25%+ of the Black vote, 45%+ of the Hispanic and Asian vote, etc
     
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    Just like the sun rising up every morning has no bearing on who is the President, North Korea launching missiles has nothing to do with who is President.

    North Korea is like the toddler that throws a tantrum every once in a while to let you know they're still there. They have no intention of starting an actual war- especially with US troops already in South Korea.

    For them it's simply a negotiating tool to ask for more aide and they have always operated on their own timeline.

    If North Korea wants to test a new missile or a new technology- they will simply do it. They may stall a few months (or even a year) to do it at their most opportune time (to extort as much aide or at a time that have it's biggest impact)- but they were never NOT going to test the missile. They have always operated this way and they will never stop playing this game.

    Trying to draw correlation between North Korean missile launches to who is the current US President, is like drawing a correlation that a hurricane hitting Florida has something to do with who's the President.
     
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    Except that it shows he didn't stop them from anything. They developed intercontinental missiles, different technologies all during his term in office. He also canceled the join military games with our actual allies the S. Koreans. He met with him and gave him that recognition, acknowledgment, and opportunity to appear legitimate, and he got nothing in return. It was embarrassing and awful for the United States.
     
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    Look man. Trump would nuke any hurricane headed to Florida

    https://www.axios.com/2019/08/25/trump-nuclear-bombs-hurricanes
     
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    The compromise was to stop the long range missiles. They ramped up again once he left office coincidentally.

    And the games weren't canceled, just reduced as part of the compromise. They still went on.
     
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    It wasn't a compromise. A compromise is when both sides get something. We got nothing. N. Korea got something.

    And because there were other exercises doesn't change the fact that they did cancel and apparently the communication lines about were crap. It was handled poorly. There were also two military exchanges that were called off. It wasn't a situation where it was just postponed.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/06/2...with-south-korea-as-mattis-makes-it-official/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...cises-with-south-korea-heres-what-comes-next/
     
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    So it's going to go from 8%, 38%, and 28% to 25%, 45%+ & 45%+ ?????

    Sure homie sure
     
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