I don't joke like that, I only joke about reps-democrats. Lotta people suffered because someone thought they were sub-humans, including ur people, so excuse me, but I don't ****around about that. Ok to answer ur question if I were hypothetically to say that the Israeli government is committing genocide rn, would you feel some type of way about it?
I have noticed that you have a tendency to say things like "people like you say" followed every single time by something I would never say... Yet you refuse to acknowledge the proven FACT that Hamas was founded on the mission to exterminate the Jews, nor will you address the fact that you blamed @maypk 's calls for the extermination of Jews on Israel. Is it possible that every time you are unable to address an argument with reason and possibly confronted with your own bigotry you resort to straw men to deflect? It's ok to reconsider something we have said that we might not have meant and maybe even take it back. I respect you, and I don't believe you actually mean some of this stuff. If I'm wrong and you do, then at least be a man, stand by it, and stop arguing with the **** you pull out of your ass that "people like me" actually wouldn't say when there are plenty of points I have made directly towards you that you have yet to address. I think that's fair.
You didn't say Hamas recently have said they want to exterminate all Jews? You don't in bad faith use the term "charter" for the outdated one created in a informal process authored by a single person rather than the current active charter? If you were a good faith actor you'd at least acknowledge the modern charter and it's reformed language. That's how I'd know you were coming from a good faith standpoint. But you want to vaguely reference a "charter" and hope people assume it's the shotgunned one from 1988 rather than the active one. Most people would assume you are referring to their active charter when you speak in such nebulous terms. If you want to claim I'm bigoted you need to elaborate with examples.
Bingo. And if they protested against the government they elected. I wonder what would happen. As far as Israel committing Genocide. The Book of Exodus 21:23-27 clearly states an eye for an eye In the Quran, it also makes reference to an eye for an eye whoever transgresses after that will have a painful punishment." Muslim countries that use Islamic Shiria law, such as Iran or Saudi Arabia, apply the "eye for an eye" rule literally. If you don't kill and rape innocent Jews on October 7th They would not be raping and killing Palestinians now An eye for an eye.
Can you just cut the crap and answer my question? Do Israeli settlers steal lands and homes of people or not?
I do - I hear it all the time. I have had several friends of mine that are Jewish flat out tell me that Israel is the homeland of the Jews as it was given to them by God. What about the people that occupied the land before the Jews? Those that occupied the land after the Jews? I have heard it used as an excuse for ownership of the piece of land. I see. Was that case when the Jews forced the Palestinians off the land? When they occupied the land where the Palestinians are but did not give them citizenship? Was that the case when they controlled all trade and the waterways for decades? Was that the case when the Jews took the homes where the Palestinians have lived? Were all those actions in the name of security and hostage rescues? You seem to think that this all started back in October - it didn't. Yeah - it is immoral to take another country, then push all of the people that live in that country out of their homes, then occupy those homes and subjugate them to third class citizens. If you want to justify it, that is your choice - but that is precisely the reason that a large part of the world believes that Israel and the treatment of the Palestinians is morally wrong. You cannot get over that hurdle from a moral perspective - and until that point is acknowledged, that less than 100 years ago, Israeli's stole the land from the Palestinians and forced large numbers of them from their homes - and then treated them as third class citizens - and that the decendents of these same people are still in "occupied territory" - there will be no progression or understanding. These exact same defenses were used by white South Africans when confronted by their actions. When there is no real justification - just fall back on "well it happened" or "well we won" and then complain about how the oppressed former occupiers of the land are violent and you need to defend yourself. Why is the defense the same? Because it is immoral and the very founding is immoral. What happened 1500 years ago isn't as relevant as what is happening right now - or 75 years ago. It just doesn't - and if you want to use the logic that it does, then the Canaanites have dibs on the land. Of course it matters to you - but the rest of the world really isn't going to care. Your claim is no better than the Assyrians for example - who occupied that same land for a long time, and do not have a homeland. Just as your struggles as a Jew mean much to you, the struggle of the Assyrians mean much to them --- but neither one is objectively better than the other one - one is "the special people". Of course the Israeli government hasn't said it - they don't have to because they have the weapons and control of the territory. The apartheid government in South Africa did not call for the death of all native Africans either - they just pushed policies to marginalize Africans and to subrogate them and push them towards violence and when they reacted with violence - they were labeled as savages. If Israel does not want the eradication of Palestinians - then give everyone of them in the Israeli occupied territory full citizenship and voting rights. That won't happen - and you know why. As for Hamas - who pushed Hamas and punished less extreme Palestinian politicians and movements? It wasn't the Palestinians - it was the conservatives in the Israeli government. Why do you think that is? The interesting thing is that I am not even a massive supporter of the Palestinians - the Israeli's did not move in 6 months ago, it has been long enough that many Israeli's have been born in Israel, and removing them would not be proper either - as it is now their home too - letting the Palestinians to come in and reclaim homes after 40-50 years isn't really fair either --------- but until Jews recognize that the very founding of the country 75 years ago was DIRTY and immoral - there will never be any real change or understanding. Own up to it - accept that the founding of the country was wrong, that it was wrong to force out Palestinians and that Palestinians have been treated like garbage for 75 years and understand where the anger came from and maybe some sort of reconciliation can take place --- until then it is all a bunch of BS and sugar coating of reality. I understand killing Palestinians that attempt to murder you, and I understand even going into Gaza and killing Hamas - but lets also be transparent about it, the Palestinians are angry and violent for a very valid reason.
There are entire books written on this topic. The founder of Hamas and other extreme religious leaders were allowed to preach without being arrested or stopped by the Israeli government - while more moderate religious leaders and movement leaders were arrested and stopped. Those decisions were made by the Israeli government. Why do you think that was? Why would the Israeli government crack down on more moderate and less extreme religious leaders calling for Palestinian unity - but not on more extreme and less moderate leaders? The reason they did that is because they did not want to have solidarity between Gaza and the West Bank. Conservative Israeli government leaders wanted conflict between Gaza and the West Bank - they did not want a two state solution and they wanted the Palestinians to fight one another - which is why more moderate voices were punished by Israel. To BE CLEAR that isn't the case with every member of government in Israel - there are those in government in Israel that supported a two state solution and had ZERO desire to have war or conflict with the Palestinians - but not the conservatives in Israel. Netanyahu even went through Egypt to financially support Hamas as a counter to the more moderate factions.
that's assuming everything started on 10/7. we know that isn't true. Israel constantly does things to those people. think of it more as a slave revolt and what happened on 10/7 was like Nat's Rebellion. That was a poorly thought out rebellion that led to the end of the creation of the first HBCU (was going to be in Connecticut), but you can understand why it happened if you realize slaves were beaten, tortured, raped, taken away from their families, taken from homes they've know their whole lives, etc., all so people can make money off them. unfunny enough, many zionists started building their empire during the slavery days (using jewish sources so no one can say it's made up): https://jewishmuseum.org.uk/2019/12...-jewish-involvement-in-transatlantic-slavery/ https://muse.jhu.edu/article/17716/summary
A J*w lying. Color me shocked. The British government did not give jack **** to you. They just got rid of all the j*ws and dumped them in Palestine. Rich j*ws started buying lands from dumbass Arabs, and then you started terrorizing the British Forces and the entire region. Who bombed the King David Hotel buddy? Designated terrorist prime minister Menachem Begin rings a bell perhaps? Isr*el was and still is a terrorist state.
Bro who are you advocating for? You are the worst type of person when it comes to trying to convince normal moderates to be empathetic to Palestinians. You are an enemy of the Palestinian cause.
There’s a lot of tunnels and weapons in Gaza @AroundTheWorld Wonder why they built all those tunnels and got more AK47s than the Crips in LA? yeah they were preparing for this war the entire time.
The truth. I'm not trying to convince anyone for anything. I'm neither friend nor enemy of the Palestinian cause. If I thought Palestinian cause was my own, I'd be out there fighting against subhumans. Palestinians, like most of the Arabs, backstabbed the Ottoman Empire, sided with the UK, and they're paying the price now. Palestine and Palestinian people are only the first victims of subhumans. It will be followed by Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Syria. My cause will begin right here. And when it begins, I will make sure that I or any of my descendants will spend all the wealth they have and all the blood in their veins to destroy these subhumans.
If the debate is about the justification for the existence of Israel the founding of Israel was legal and recognized by international law. That most countries in the world maintain diplomatic relations with Israel reinforces its legality. Moral is a different question but generally most Of the World in 1948 felt that it was moral to allow the Jewish people to establish a homeland. The 1948 agreement though agreements the establishment of Israel on the pre 1967 borders. Israel occupation of Gaza, the West Bank and Golan heights hasn’t been recognized under international law. I don’t think the US has officially recognized Israel sovereignty over them.
If the Palestinian cause isn’t even your cause yet you want to commit you and your descendants to fight who you call “subhumans”. That makes what you’re writing even more disturbing.
A Turk (with Jewish ancestors who were forced to convert, but wants to deny his roots) promoting genocide. Color me shocked. For 600 pages, you've been saying Jews "stole the land" from Palestinians. Now, here we come to find out that (in your words) "rich people bought the land from dumbass Arabs." That sounds like what goes on in every capitalist society. For a good summation of what happened after that, you can refer to Durvasa's (who seems as unbiased & knowledgeable as anyone on here) post a few pages back. In another post, you claim Ottomans never stole anyone's land. How are you so ignorant of Turkish history? In a totally contradicting post you say, "Turks couldn't have mixed with Jews because Turks originally came from Otuken, where there were no Jews." Well who the hell was living in Anatolia in 1300 during the Turkish conquest? Who did Turks massacre, rape and convert when they occupied their new "homeland"? Turkish history sounds eerily similar to what you claim is Jewish history...Large-scale massacres of Armenians had occurred from 1890-1910. There was fear among Ottoman leaders that the Armenians would seek independence. During their invasion of Russian and Persian territory in 1914, Ottoman paramilitaries massacred local Armenians. Ottoman leaders took isolated instances of Armenian resistance as evidence of a widespread rebellion, though no such rebellion existed. Mass deportation was intended to permanently forestall the possibility of Armenian autonomy or independence. In 1915, the Ottoman authorities arrested and deported hundreds of Armenian intellectuals and leaders from Constantinople. An estimated 800,000 to 1.2 million Armenians were sent on death marches to the Syrian Desert. deportees were deprived of food and water and subjected to robbery, rape, and massacres. In the Syrian Desert, the survivors were dispersed into concentration camps. Around 100,000 to 200,000 Armenian women and children were forcibly converted to Islam and integrated into Muslim households. Massacres and ethnic cleansing of Armenian survivors continued through the Turkish War of Independence after World War I, carried out by Turkish nationalists. This genocide put an end to more than two thousand years of Armenian civilization in eastern Anatolia. Together with the mass murder and expulsion of Assyrian/Syriac and Greek Orthodox Christians, it enabled the creation of an ethnonationalist Turkish state, the Republic of Turkiye. You even go on to say "Greeks claim that Turks are Islamized greeks, Armenians claim that Turks are Islamized armenians, Jews claim that Turks are Islamized jews. Turks never lived under greek, armenian or jewish rule while Greeks, Armenians and Jews have lived more than 500 years under Turkish rule." No $h!π, Sherlock. As anyone can see after reading the very concise Turkish history above, Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, Jews, Christians, Kurds were all subject to conquest, which included rape and forced conversions of women & children and absorption into the Turkish people. Just like in one year alone, 1916. "Around 100,000 to 200,000 Armenian women and children were forcibly converted to Islam and integrated into Muslim households. This has been going on since Turks stole....errr conquered Anatolia, displaced or killed millions of people and occupied the territory. Not only are you part Jew, you are also part Armenian, Greek, Assyrian and Kurd.
This is just crazy. Surely you aren't this much of a weirdo. At first, I pegged you for having a decently high intellect, just an anti-semitic, brainwashed Turkish nationalist. Now, more recently, you are exposing yourself as a nutcase. I would like to think you are better than this or maybe just forgot to take your medication.
I've certainly been and am critical of Israel's policy of occupation and the way they are conducting their current campaign. But this kind of bigoted crap has no place in a serious discussion of the issues. Whatever side you are supposedly supporting looks worse for this type of language and bigotry. Jewish people and the state of Israel are not one and the same. Israeli citizens are not the same as Netanyahu. More generalizing and dehumanizing doesn't help solve the problems of either side.
