I know some conservative Jews that support Netanyahu - but most Jews I know do not like him. Young Israeli Jews are in a tough spot - they were born in Israel, that is their home - and while it is true that the Palestinians were forced out - it is also the only homes that these young Jews have known. It is much like being an American in the early 1900's - you can be aware that the land was stolen, but you are not going to give it back.
Where did he say what? Buddy atw, has entire threads he created where he will post 20 consecutive replies of Muslims "doing bad things". He dedicates more time in a hatred of a entire group of humans more so than any other poster on this message board. Stop defending the clown. He's as bigoted as @maypk. Because his language is 10% more reserved doesn't mean he's 10% less bigoted. Rhe difference between him and maypk is atw is more trained in discourse to have plausible deniability. He understands saying "Muslims are trash" outright is a no bueno in being perceived as not a bigot. But he isn't smart enough to realize dedicated hundreds of hours a week to making a basketball forum s police blotter for "bad Muslims" is abject bigotry. Anyone who dedicated this much time to spamming every tweet that comes across their news feed of Jewish people doing or saying bad things would be considered an anti-semite.
Do you know a Jew who actually believes they are the chosen people? I've never met a single one out of the thousands I've met. Not sure if I've let y'all know this yet, but that is literally nothing more a cute little running joke in the Jewish community. It's exactly like "everything's bigger in Texas." It's not a thing. You are right that a big part of the problem is violence in the name of religion, but the only side doing that is quoting the Mohammed. Israel has certainly heavy handed in Her response, but it wasn't in the name of Judaism - it was in the name of security and hostage rescue. The British government took it and gave it to us. I'm not British. Sorry, that is simply factually false. Also, under what authority are you declaring people "cannot" do something morally? Clearly they can, because they did. Were most countries - including the USA - told they couldn't become one and defend themselves because it was immoral? Um... The hell it does! Says who? Ours is an ancient people with a rich and long history that lots of different folk have always been trying to snuff out, everywhere we go. It might not matter to you, but it does to us. That's why we all go to the wall of the Temple that was burned to the ground and taken from us. How expedient that it magically doesn't matter that the Jews got pillaged and thrown out because of an arbitrary statute of limitations. Sorry brother Nook, that doesn't fly either. [/QUOTE] I agree here. I just want to clearly point out that while Netenyahu is ****ed up to want the Arabs out, there is a gargantuan difference between that and calling for the extermination of the entire population - actual real world genocide. That is exactly what the elected terrorist government of Gaza has stated in their charter that they want. The Israeli government has NEVER said anything close, because that's disgusting and we legitimately do not want that. It baffles me that anyone could. I think we've reached an agreement to disagree on apartheid, right?
I agree here. I just want to clearly point out that while Netenyahu is ****ed up to want the Arabs out, there is a gargantuan difference between that and calling for the extermination of the entire population - actual real world genocide. That is exactly what the elected terrorist government of Gaza has stated in their charter that they want. The Israeli government has NEVER said anything close, because that's disgusting and we legitimately do not want that. It baffles me that anyone could. I think we've reached an agreement to disagree on apartheid, right?[/QUOTE] Don't make me defend Hamas. Where does t say in heir charter that they want to genocide Jews? This is the only time they reference "Jews' in their charter: 16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity. 17. Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine.
I do not enjoy his methods at lot of times, but it's abhorrently ****ed up of you to, on the one hand, say he's as bigoted as someone who is LITERALLY calling for the extermination of every Jew from the planet, then on the other hand accuse Israel of ethnic cleansing. If you need to play bigotry Olympics, I'd say there's little doubt you're closer to @maypk than @AroundTheWorld when it comes to bigoted behavior - but still 99% less that maypk. That's a whole different thing. Can ATW be more annoying than you sometimes? Obviously. I might have you both beat there though.
Don't make me defend Hamas. Where does t say in heir charter that they want to genocide Jews? This is the only time they reference "Jews' in their charter:.[/QUOTE] I've shown it to you before, and I don't think you responded or you responded by changing the subject. I think it's the 1988 charter. You can look it up this time. They also have been on television saying it for the past year.
Hamas has basic pr sense to not say "exterminate all Jews". Bibi does also in regards to Palestinians. 1988? Their charter is from 2017.
What was the reason for the expelling? It isn't right at all and no group should be exiled based off the actions of a few, but what was happening? By that same token, I'm tired of pretending like zionists are some poor group needing help when in reality they are some of the most powerful people on the planet, and have been in high influential positions throughout history. This is why, while wanting their own land to call home, they at the same time run companies that raid other actual poor countries nearby for precious metals to sell as jewelry It's hard to have so much sympathy for zionists when they themselves harm others.
The Palestinians wanted Hamas after the secular resistance options turned into profitable endeavors for those in power rather than providing Palestinian liberation. That's what happens when a people try every route and it fails. They go to extremism. Israel could have provided Palestinians dignity when the secular commie socialists were in power. They'd be dealing with a bunch of secular commies instead of religious fundis if self determination of Palestinians occured much earlier.
I do not have the knowledge on the history in the region as some on this board do. So let me ask a couple of questions. Was Hamas the elected party by the individuals of Palestine back in the early 2000's. Maybee 2006??? Next question, if they are the elected branch of the country then all must support them correct. No you say.... Hmmm why don't they take to the streets and protest like the Pro Palestinian crowds here in America. Or vote Hamas out of office? I'm really only looking for the answer to the last sentence. And most on here know why.
On what are you basing that statement? I gave you approval ratings. I know a **** ton of Jews {sounds exhausting, I know} and almost every single one I talk to criticizes Netenyahu - and we talk about it. I think I've asked you like 3 times now to explain to me this statement that most Jews feel offended by critique of the current Israeli government. Is it possible you just made that up? And I said the sub-human thing because we joke about disgusting racist **** to take away its power - you should hear the Holocaust jokes popping off around here. I sent a winky face so you'd know I was Just Joshin.
People instinctively will support the side that is doing armed fighting against the entity that blew up their home and killed their mom or daughter or son etc. Hamas is a product of oppression. And the best recruiter for Hamas is the IDF.
Do you think you are speaking in bad faith when you discuss a charter and don't mention which one which would imply the more relevant one that was created in 2017 rather than the one created before most people here were born? And do you know the difference in the process of the 1988 "charter" vs the modern one? The one in 1988 was more of the workings of a single Hamas leader that was shotgunned in without much of a debate process. The 2017 one was more of a formal process with input of many different people within the organization. You aren't being sincere when you reference "Hamas charter" and refer to the outdated shotgunned one from 1988 vs the one that actually is the current Hamas charter. Hamas isn't part of the solution. They are a terror organization that have purposefully attacked civilians just like the IDF. But it is very obvious this isn't enough for you so you resort to insincerity.
And let us be clear. Hamas has basic pr sense. So I know when you say "they said they want to exterminate all Jews recently" is not accurate. Either MEMRI TV propaganda mistranslated stuff which I'm sure you source a lot or the good ol claim that whenever Palestinians advocate for the dismantling of the Israeli state, people like you pretend that means "exterminate all Jews". Which would be equivalent of saying the ANC wants to exterminate all white people in South Africa because they want to dismantle the Aparthied government. Hamas wants a one state solution. The current regime in Israel with the Bibi coalition wants a one state solution. Both sides want a one state solution. Both sides claim that don't want to genocide the other side. Both sides actions say otherwise.
I bet you don't know why the street signs in Bellaire are red... Spoiler Blood of Christian babies, doy.
Also I'd like to add one thing so it your rhetoric that is disturbing that shows a lack of basic understanding of human rights. When @Nook said "what happened thousands of years ago is irrelevant" and you wax lyrical about how it is because of culture and tradition, it signals to me that you don't understand what trauma is from being stripped of the place you were born and raised. Let's make one thing clear. European Jews had every reason to desire a safe haven from Europe. Europe and Russia is the anti-semetic capital of the world. But let's make another thing clear. A European Jewish person has is not being denied "their homeland" because someone told them "no" to settling in a region because they claim their great greet great great great great great great great great grandparents might have once lived there. Every human has a right to not be removed from the place they were born and raised That is the traumatic part. Your home is where you were born and raised. A Palestinian in that region doesn't know of any other places besides the land they were raised in. That is what a "home" is. It isn't where your great great great great great great great great great ancestors lived. That is actually very irrelevant. That has no bearing on human rights.
