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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. maypk

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    Yeah why don't you just go ahead and learn what's really happening in Ukraine from Russian soldiers while you are at it?
     
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    Both these images are bigoted as ****.
     
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    There ain't any serious debate going on anymore in this thread. It's just a clown show.
     
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    I agree.
     
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  7. maypk

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    Fool me once shame on you, fool me 109 times shame on me.
     
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    I would say Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine have a much better perspective on what it is like fighting in Ukraine than I do.
     
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    Can you please stop acting like the title of the video isn't "What's REALLY happening in Gaza"?

    "What's REALLY happening in Gaza?" and "What's like fighting in Gaza?" are two entirely different things.
     
  11. Nook

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    I have a couple question or comments.

    First, my grandparents were living in Pearl Harbor when the attack happened. My grandfather had to cut into the boats in an effort to save those that were trapped and had pockets of air. I will save everyone the graphic details he told me, but lets just say it was horrendous and impacted him for the rest of his life. He became very quiet.

    As for the internment camps - I think that it is a complicated topic. I don't agree with the treatment of Japanese Americans during WWII and many Americans had mixed feelings at the time according to my grandparents.

    As for Hawaii - it would have been almost impossible to put all the Japanese Americans in camps. The Island was like 40% or more Chinese American and the entire island would have shut down or would have rebelled had that happened. Also, travel at that point off the island was almost impossible because of war and America's military was in control of the island.

    I think that we need to have an honest discussion on why we have done some of the things we did. The Red Scare and putting people in internment camps were a reaction to what was happening. That does not mean it was a proper response - we can debate that, but we shouldn't minimize what happened either. Hawaii was to an extent a red herring under the circumstances.

    As for Germany not attacking the USA, we had American German Nazi's selling out Madison Square Garden - we had prominent people that were sympathetic to Germany and we had German spies in the Hudson Harbor..... yet we did not put many Germans in camps - we have to consider that racism was a large part of the reason.
     
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    Don't know about racism - maybe - but two things - why are you conflating Japanese Americans and Chinese Americans in your Hawaii post?

    Also, if your explanation for them not having been put into camps is that they were like 40 % or so of the population, then you would also have your explanation why Germans couldn't have been put into camps. People of German descent were the largest ethnic group in the US in the 1940s.

    And by the way, that is still the case today. About 57 million people in the US claim some level of German ancestry, which still makes German the most common ancestry reported in the USA.
     
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    Different times, plus Germans were spread out throughout the States, while Japanese-Americans lived mostly on the west coast . That obviously wouldn't happened today, but it was the 40s, times were different.

    @AroundTheWorld


    Eastern Europeans 10 outta 15.
     
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    Forgive - but do not forget.

    The person you are referring to is half of the problem.

    At least they admit their support of genocide I suppose.
     
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    Japanese Americans were like 40% of Hawaii around the time of Pearl Harbor. I am non my cell phone so I cannot see what you quoted, if I made a mistake I apologize.

    Yeah - you are making my point, Japanese Americans in Hawaii were not put in camps because it was just about impossible to do so without the island rebelling or shutting down.

    I am well aware of how many Americans in the USA have German heritage - I am not asserting that German Americans should have been put into camps. I am asserting that putting so many Japanese Americans in camps in WWII was an over reaction and was not ethical.

    For all the discussion we have of ill meaning interlopers coming into the USA - historically the damage has been in large moderate compared to how many spies have been in the USA. In WWII the NYC waterfront was full of German spies and those with German sympathies, and it didn't really matter that much.

    Same with the Red Scare part I and part II - not much came of it at the end of the day.

    Where I don't agree with people like Chomsky is that I don't find labeling the situation of internments and the Red Scare as "bad" is fair or complete. I think that there needs to be a discussion of why we did what we did, and consider that it was an overreaction and we were wrong, and that racism likely played a part --- but it wasn't as simple as us deciding to throw a group of people in a camp because we could.
     
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    They did (the government) admit it was wrong, n they've paid 'em.
     
  17. Nook

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    That list is a joke.

    Have you ever spent much time in places like Japan and Greece and Italy and Egypt?

    A woman in Japan is not likely to be robbed or abducted, but it is common for a woman that has had to much to drink to be taken from the bar and molested or raped. I had to stop it a few times in Japan and the attitude was that they were not "making her" do anything while she is passing out in the street. Japan also has serious issues with men crossing boundaries, it was so common for men in Japan to invade the space and privacy of women that they made it illegal to silence the flash and click of the camera while taking pictures.

    Greece and Egypt are also pretty bad, men are extremely aggressive and will grab and kiss women without permission - and in Egypt you risk rape and death.

    The issue is has to do with reporting and record keeping. In a place like Egypt, someone is far less likely to report.
     
  18. Nook

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    I am not talking about the actual government, but us as Americans.
     
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    Look, I'm very critical of the United States but there is no avenue where I can comprehend how Egypt is safer for women than the United States. That is absurd. The methodology here is wack.

    Reported crimes is a horrible way to judge the safety of women. The most misogynistic cultures will have ways of abusing women without it being on some criminal record. The most misogynistic regions will not have abuse of women be illegal.
     
  20. JHarden713

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    Most Americans think that it was wrong.

    Learn from it and will probably never be repeated. Unless a civil breaks out or something but chances of that are slim to none, in our lifetime. If there were any questions about anything the actual civil war answered all of them and made sure we're setup up for generations to come, regarding anything major.
     
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