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The state of the republican party

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  1. deb4rockets

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    Sounds like the kind of man Trump would appoint to head the Board of Education.


    Lee’s Summit Residents Demand Resignation of Racist, Right-Wing Extremist School Board Member Bill Haley

    Outraged Lee’s Summit residents are calling for the immediate resignation of right-wing extremist school board member Bill Haley after his racist “Redneck Lives Matter” gun shell display, which “mocks” Black Lives Matter and glorifies guns in schools.

    Haley’s Christo-Fascist Backers: A Network of Hate

    Haley didn’t rise to power alone. His campaign was strongly supported by We the People of Eastern Jackson County—a racist, right-wing extremist hate group—as well as the Christo-fascist, extremist political powerhouse, Abundant Life Church.

    https://kansascitydefender.com/educ...haley-racist-extremism-rednecks-lives-matter/
     
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    The speeches by the Obamas last night were both sensational and outclassed anything the Republicans have put up in two decades.

    So the question about the Republican party can't get great minds and great speakers like that on their side.

    Watching the Republicans speak shows they're oafish brutes who appear as cave people by comparison.

    And they aren't currently attracting a better quality of candidates to their sides. Great minds and thinkers aren't looking to join their party.

    In fact many reasonable Republicans have left the party or no longer support it. Trump has taken over and they are stuck with the likes of MGT, My Pillow Guy, and Hulk Hogan.

    The contrast is very clear. Republicans need to change if they want better quality candidates.
     
  3. No Worries

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    Marc Jacob/Stop the Presses:

    What’s scarier than the GOP’s beliefs? The GOP’s lack of beliefs.

    And the media make it worse by pretending Republicans are sincere

    Many Americans are alarmed by the stated beliefs of right-wing extremists. The idea that girls should be forced to carry pregnancies that result from rape and incest. The mindset that books should be banned, that immigrants should be feared, that climate change is nothing to worry about.

    But I submit that Republican politicians’ lack of beliefs is even more dangerous. They seem willing to say and do anything that will help them politically. They have abandoned long-held Republican values such as the rule of law and the promotion of global democracy.
     
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    There's an intentional shift away from pollish, and we don't necessarily need to judge it. I'm just saying "better quality candidates" for me and you might not be the same for someone else, who likes someone more entertaining, or folksy, or even brash or offensive. If you find Alex Jones entertaining (and some do), then do you want a Michelle Obama type speech or a Hulk Hogan type speech? (Never mind the racial component of this.)

    Populism can look really ugly to someone who values intellectual approaches to problems.
     
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    It is possible that people love 80s wrestling and Hulk Hogan and are entertained by Alex Jones. But if they believe those celebrities will produce a higher quality political convention, then that is the problem that needs to be addressed. Different positions and even contrary positions can both be held by better quality candidates. America is not helped by candidates of the quality of Marjorie Taylor Greene, or Lauren Boebert. Even if they cast the votes a person would hope. It is possible

    One of the reasons that has been mentioned for the poor performance by Republicans in 2022 elections was that they couldn't get quality candidates to win their primaries. This was often because the candidates had to be election denying Trump supporters. While Trump, may have the style to pull that off, these other candidates couldn't, and they lost once they got to the general election.
     
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    The modern political convention is largely just show pieces designed to pump supporters as such entertainment has become a major factor of them. What little I’ve seen of the DNC seems to also have a lot of fluff and frankly silliness.

    What is more concerning is the blurring of actual governing from conventions and rallying. That’s why we see things like compromise are so frequently criticized while partisan purity prized has come to dominate politics. While politicians who in previous times would be considered nothing more than back bench cranks are now considered thought leaders.
     
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    For my more intelligent, reasonable conservative folks here: why not reboot? The GOP brand is very tarnished right now.

    As an informed independent voter who would occasionally vote for Republican candidates that I felt had some morals and a good platform, there’s no ****ing way I’m voting Red.

    Y’all need to clean house and wash the Trump extremist stank off.
     
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    Ken Paxton must be aiming for a position on Trump's Cabinet.

    That crook is already starting this crap before we even have the election. He's such a Karen wasting our taxpayer dollars.

    Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton’s (R) office executed search warrants in one of the state’s largest urban counties — and biggest Democratic strongholds — where it alleges vote tampering.

    On Tuesday, the attorney general’s office searched offices in Bexar County, the state’s fourth most populous county and the home of San Antonio.

    The office said the searches followed a two-year investigation and that “secure elections are the cornerstone of our republic.”

    The searches came amid a broader push by Paxton to prosecute election fraud — a campaign that in 2023 spent $2.3 million to prosecute just four cases, according to the Houston Chronicle.

    “We are completely committed to protecting the security of the ballot box and the integrity of every legal vote. This means ensuring accountability for anyone committing election crimes,” Paxton said in a statement.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4839675-texas-ken-paxton-election-fraud-probe-bexar-county/
     
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    I was telling a friend last week that if Mitt Romney was the Republican candidate I would vote for him over Harris. If it was a Republican like Larry Hogan I would consider it.

    I don’t Harris but I’m not a fan and while I like Walz criticism on his response to the George Floyd riots is warranted. Policy and rhetoric wise I don’t like a lot of class warfare messages from the Democratic Left. As I’ve said here frequently I find many of their policy proposals not only politically impractical but economically infeasible. As someone who tends to be more in the free trade side I’m largely homeless now between MAGA and protectionists from the Bernie Sanders wing off the Democratic Party.

    What keeps me from voting Republican these days is that the small government practical party doesn’t exist. It’s been taken over by what I call the three C’s
    Crazies, Conmen, and Cowards

    The mayor of Mesa, Az summed it up best.
    “The party of John McCain doesn’t exist and we don’t owe a damn thing to what remains”
     
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    They need a good vision to reboot around. Most of their appealing ideas crashed and burned under Bush.

    They're delaying the inevitable boomer drop off. The party needs younger faces who are either positive and/or professional to clean house.
     
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    Inevitable? That **** happened with Covid.
     
  15. rocketsjudoka

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    At this point the only major reform to the party will be when Trump passes away. Many thought that the party would reboot as a more traditional conservative party under the Ron DeSantis after the 2020 election. What many including in the party didn't count on was how strong the hold Trump had on the party and also how many were simply too craven to challenge Trump. Haley fought for awhile but given that nearly all of the rest of the party leaders fell in line behind Trump she didn't really stand a chance.

    The party now is only held together by Trump and only principle is Trump. We see in the House when left to organize around something not Trump how fractured and chaotic they are.

    Frankly it would've been better for the party to have taken a landslide loss in 2020, reorganized and come into this election with a candidate other than Trump. The inevitable reshuffling of the GOP will come at some point and it will only be harder. As Liz Cheney warned at some point Trump will be gone but Republicans will have to deal with what he created.
     
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    There are too many voters who hold on to Palin's dog whistle of "Real Americans."

    American Exceptionalism is a different thing because it's an ideal or aspiration.

    The way Trump treats 2nd gen+ Americans in public is usually with the attitude of where they're from or some coded loyalty check.

    I'm not sure what each demo's feelings are on abortion, but typically 1st gen Asians and Latinos share the broader social con platform of "family values." Being "smarter with money spent" is also a cultural thing for many Asians who went across an ocean to become successful.

    If Republicans stuck to the old economic Con platform but with lessons learned from Bush's long term failures in office, there would be broader enthusiasm and energy rather than it being a party of degenerates and vegetables glued to their cable TV for the latest ragebait to scream at about from their love seats.
     
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    If I remember correctly Republicans under GH and GW Bush got more Asian votes and GW Bush pulled in a very strong number of Hispanic votes. The traditional GOP messages of small government and family values plays well among immigrants. This is the problem with Rightwing arguments and the conspiracy that the Democrats are bringing in immigrants to get more voters is that immigrants aren't guaranteed to vote Democrat. Consider for example that Vivek Ramaswamy, and Nikey Haley are both second generation Americans.

    For Republicans though their anti immigrant rhetoric becomes self-fulfilling. The more the party espouses Nativism the more immigrants consider the party hostile to them and will vote Democratic even if they don't agree with the Democrats on a few issues.
     
  18. deb4rockets

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    From Navy Seal to slime bag sucking up to a Traitor and Sociopath. Disgusting.

    Crenshaw throws the military core values straight out the window to climb the MAGA ladder of slime bag politicians in line to kiss the diaper covering the rump of Trump.

    Dan Crenshaw Stuns Real Time With Claim ‘There WAS a Peaceful Transition of Power’ From Trump

    https://www.mediaite.com/news/dan-c...wer-from-trump-cnns-kaitlan-collins-calls-bs/
     
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    Adam Kinzinger mentioned this in his speech at the DNC and other former military members have said this before that honor led them to either stop supporting or never supporting Trump in the first place.

    Honor as both personal integrity but also fealty to the oaths they swore to the Constitution.
     
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    I saw that piece and based on his body language it doesn’t look like Crenshaw even fully believes what he said.
     
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