There's a bunch of different models out there, I'll try to pull some up when I have more time. I think it was Kevin Pelton that had Sengun at 1.... he also had Shepard at 1 this year. Notably Hollinger had Sengun 4th ahead of Greenhttps://www.nytimes.com/athletic/27...-1-and-why-alperen-sengun-deserves-more-hype/, so it just depends who you ask as to who was the better prospect.
"Most of analytics guys has Sengun at number 1". The framing of this makes it seem like it should be easy to find the examples of being placed number 1.
Did you read what you responded to? I told you one of the guys who had him ranked #1 and another who had him ranked fourth... also ahead of Jalen. The loudest voices aren't the analytics guys, so it's harder to dig their stuff up in the sea of hype machine trash.
There are two NBA analytic guys that exist on this planet and one of them has him ranked first and another 4th? Is that the gist of your claim?
The value of a inefficient shooting guard/wing that isn't a spectacular defender or playmaker is losing value right before our eyes. These types of players aren't needed as much as the Kobe days. Look at the guards out there teams are trying to trade with no takers, especially those with bloated contracts 1. Afernee Simons (way more efficient than Green with the same counting stats, Blazers are trying to get rid of him) 2. Kuzma (similar volume as Green equally inefficient, no trade value) 3. Clarkson (similar efficiency as Green, no takers) 4. Beal, Lavine (bloated contracts no takers) The only player in the league in Greens mold that is desired by other teams is Booker, who has shown superb defense and very good passing/play making as of late.
What are the ages and numbers of seasons in the league for these guys on this list? Next season Jalen Green will be the same age as rookie Clarkson
That's two of many... that I quickly pulled up on my phone while driving. As I said, I'll look for more when I have time, but it's not news that most analytics models had Sengun ranked that high. Again, I wasn't even one of the people pushing Sengun in that draft class and I remember it.... if you really want, go back and read the thread suggesting the Rockets trade up for him, I'm sure there's useful information there.
This is archived so it may be hard to read. NBA draft 2021: Ranking the top 30 prospects based on stats and scouting Jul 27, 2021 Kevin PeltonESPN Senior Writer Does Thursday's NBA draft (8 p.m. ET on ESPN and ABC) grade out as well statistically as in the evaluation of league scouts? Not by my projections, which combine statistical projections based on player performance in college or other professional leagues with how players rank in our top 100 prospects. By those measures, there's no prospect in this year's draft who rates as strong combined as LaMelo Ball did last season and Rookie of the Year runners-up Anthony Edwards and Tyrese Haliburton also rated ahead of this year's highly touted top four prospects. Still, this looks like a solid lottery with four players who rank in the top 10 of my stats-only projections and in our top 10 -- typically a recipe for a strong career -- plus a handful of others who narrowly miss out in one category or the other. For more on how my projections work and past examples, see here. Otherwise, let's break down this year's top 30 and a couple of notable omissions. 1. Alperen Sengun Center | Besiktas Top 100: No. 15 Stats: No. 1 Consensus: 4.2 WARP This year's top-rated prospect won't surprise anyone who's followed Sengun's domination of the Basketball Super League in his native Turkey. At age 18 (he turned 19 on Sunday), Sengun led the league with 8.9 WARP, nearly 3.5 more than any other player. He was chosen as MVP, producing the third-best stats-only projection in my database behind Luka Doncic and Anthony Davis. It's understandable that scouts question whether that production will entirely translate. Sengun's stats-only projection is in the same ballpark as DeJuan Blair and Kenneth Faried, who enjoyed solid careers as role players but were never NBA stars. Still, there's little precedent for anyone as productive as Sengun truly failing as a pro. play 2:00 Cade Cunningham's versatility makes him ready for the Pistons Cade Cunningham is ready to take on the NBA after showcasing his versatility at Oklahoma State. 2. Cade Cunningham Guard | Oklahoma State Top 100: No. 1 Stats: No. 18 Consensus: 2.8 WARP Cunningham's statistics during his one season at Oklahoma State aren't quite as effusive as scouts are about his potential. Cunningham had a relatively high turnover rate and shot just 46% inside the arc. His stats-only projection is on the low end for recent No. 1 picks along with Edwards and Andrew Wiggins. Still, the strong predictive value of being the top-rated player puts him atop the group of players likely to be drafted with the first four picks. play 1:38 Which NBA star is Giddey looking forward to facing most? NBA Draft prospect Josh Giddey shares the names he's most looking forward to lining up against in the NBA, and whether he'll be overawed. 3. Jalen Green Guard | G League Ignite Top 100: No. 2 Stats: No. 12 Consensus: 2.7 WARP For a teenager competing against players shuttling back and forth from the NBA, Green held his own as part of G League Ignite, an encouraging sign for his long-term prospects. He rated as an above-average player in the G League thanks to efficient scoring (.592 true shooting) while using 23% of Ignite's plays. Green just misses the stats-only top 10. They're close, but Alperen was ranked one by Pelton. And I respect Pelton a lot.
These fancy schmancy metrics are good for training tools and comparisons, but I question their predictive nature. Game theory, contingency planning and rankings? Ok. Making absolute statements about what any player will be in the future? Nah. Nuance and context reign supreme. There are many outcomes between bust and superstar.
Especially if you have two mega potent Draft classes coming up in the next 2 years....... And also you expect a better player with the 3rd draft pick and not Jabari Smith Junior now. You would rather have traded Reed Sheppard for the 3rd Pick in the next 2 drafts.......or the opportunity to move up to Top 4 ...... Green can drop his 21 or 25 ppg on a very bad team, he is welcome to do so and have his 1 month or 2 months flavor explosion.......or even a playoff team who needs a 6th man....
I'm sure actual Rocket fans would rather hope he just becomes more consistent at the ripe old age of 23 rather than just making a matter of fact statement that these are the only possibilities (6th man on contender, high usage on bad team for the rest of his career)
The idea was that he could grow to be more than just an inefficient shooting guard/wing. For as much as I think Kobe is overrated, he developed into a good playmaker and a good defender due to he mentality/work ethic. The Jalen Green pick in itself was not a bad pick, as you don't get guys with his kind of burst/athleticism at his age that even have to chance to develop the other skills. The problem is it very murky if he can or will be league average in those other skills.
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look kiddo my guy. U never know what you’re talking about and every time i prove you wrong making you look dumb. Every single time. It’s getting old. I never read your stupid posts but you keep responding to mine. Waste of time. You dumb AF kiddo. Im sure you can waste your time on people who actually read your posts. Nothing you say has merit or truth. Nothing. You understand this kiddo?
