But that’s the ridiculous thing about the TS% argument is not only is it one metric, but the argument rests solely on 3 pt shooting. The ability to shoot 3’s is not a complete measurement of how a player performs overall on the court. It never was. His paint points in the restricted area and less than 5 ft is up there with the best in the league. His elbow shot efficiency is top 6 among guards playing over 28 min and 60 games. His 2 pt efficiency is better than more than half of this same group. There’s so many other things he does that a simple metric like TS% does not illustrate. The argument using one metric holds little weight since it completely ignores both analysis through visual observation and other data.
I don't know why this is hilarious but that Blazers announcer shouting "oh oh oh" well before he went for the dunk.... That dude knew something really bad was about to happen to Simons. He knew the reputation.
The reason PPG is a good indicator is because teams don't let inefficient players shoot the ball a lot. The people in charge of these teams are smart and they want to win games, and you don't win games by letting inefficient players take a lot of shots, thats bad offense. Go look at the TS% of the top scorers in the league, they're all very very efficient scorers. It's not a coincidence. You can also look at the opposite end, look up all the players who take a lot of shots and have a poor TS%. None of them are winning players, and unsurprisingly none of them are on winning teams. This is also not a coincidence.
Jokic was 10th in ppg last season yet he is by far the best offensive player in basketball. The iverson over harden stuff is pretty wild though. I think the 2 best "idiot tests" for lack of a better term are iverson vs harden and kobe vs lebron. If someone says iverson is better or kobe is better, that person is probably pretty clueless about the sport. I looked into the iverson harden stuff a while ago and i think it's very reasonable to say you would rather have 1 harden level player over 2 iverson level players, they are THAT far apart.
If a SHOOTING guard can't shoot, they can't be a good SHOOTING guard in the modern NBA. There is no wiggle room on this.
Are you going to still post on clutch fans if Green hypothetically becomes consistent next season? Honestly posters like you and BTG not posting here anymore is probably the most important reason for Jalen Green to make a leap. Let's hope by the end of next season you guys quite Clutchfans.
Rockets fans will be Rockets fans even if a draft bust turns their career around.... it'll be seen as a good thing even. Player first and player only fans on the other hand.... well, we saw what happened when they dumped Lin. Some of you guys will hang around for a while after your guy is gone, most won't and the board will be better off for it.
It is still within the range of possibility. So you think it's within 95+% certainty that Sengun will have a better career? I think it's more like a 70% chance Sengun will have a better career. So saying Jalen will be the best player we drafted since Yao is still within the realm of resistance statistical probability.
It is still within the range of possibility. So you think it's within 95+% certainty that Sengun will have a better career? I think it's more like a 70% chance Sengun will have a better career. So saying Jalen will be the best player we drafted since Yao is still within the realm of resistance statistical probability.
being the better prospect is something about now, not future. If Sengun has 70% chance to have a better career, literally means he is the better prospect. Jalen having a better career is a possibility but that doesn't change who is the better prospect.
You can be a better prospect and have more issues early on in your career than someone who isn't a better prospect. If Jalen Green hypothetically has a better career then in hindsight he will be referred to as a better prospect than Sengun. That's how it works. "Better prospect" is always altered in hindsight. Right now you can say Sengun is a better prospect because he's produced more and more consistently. But also you can make a case Green has shown the highest peak but also has dips that Sengun never has. So it could still say that Green has the higher ceiling but Sengun has the much higher floor. I think that's a reasonable statement that also I can see why someone would disagree with also. Just to be clear I think it's more likely Sengun will have he better career.
Dallas Willard, in The Spirit of the Disciplines (a spiritual book everyone should read), makes this fantastic analogy that fits our situation and all the stat comparisons recorded in this thread. He notes that young people who idolize athletes try their hardest to emulate what their favorite player does during the game. If it's baseball and the player slides headfirst, that's what they do. They are copycats, wearing the same shoes, gloves, and bat... you get the idea. The question is, will they succeed in becoming stars? Here's the quote: "We know that they don't succeed if all they do is try to be like him in the game... The star performer himself didn't achieve his excellence by trying to behave a certain way only during the game. Instead, he chose an overall life of preparation of mind and pouring all his energies into that total preparation, to provide a foundation in the body's automatic responses and strengths during the game." We're in year three with Jalen. Everyone concedes he didn't have anything close to a foundation when he came into the league. If anything, he was surrounded by incompetence and individuals who sought to make him comfortable but not a professional. Great players find a way to build their discipline and lifestyle to reach greater potential. There have been times when I've thought Jalen had this gene, but his inconsistency has made me wonder if he's just a gamer. We'll find out soon enough if these workouts are show or substance.
TBH, I have a strong feeling Jalen will not be with the team past next season. I hope I am wrong but I have to admit that is the way I feel about the situation. I think Alpi will be in MVP talks within a few seasons so yes I am 95+% certain Sengun will have a better career. Note: If I am wrong, and I hope I am, we will have two MVP caliber players from the same draft. That would be unheard of.
