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Kamala Harris selects Tim Walz as VP

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  1. gifford1967

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    This actually isn't that far from the truth. The Irish actually don't like many central and Eastern Europeans as doing the Irish boom many of them came to Ireland to work and there has been tension between them.

    I will admit as an American it was odd to see blond women who looked like models working as janitors in hotels in Belfast and Dublin.
     
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    this is why his daughter is named Hope

    Former president Donald Trump’s vice president pick U.S. Sen. J.D. Vance in June voted against the Right to IVF Act, which would have protected accessibility and affordability of in vitro fertilization (IVF) services nationwide.
     
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    You want a guy to lead your HS football team to a state championship?

    Who you got?

    Tim Walz?

    or Convicted Felon Man Baby? or perhaps The Couch F*cker?

    Real men who do not commit felonies or **** couches will vote for Tim Walz.
     
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    I'm not going to make fun of him as this could be my future.
     
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    Kamala Harris loved Tim Walz’s governing record in Minnesota. His biography and record of winning tough races resonated with her. And most of all, she just really liked him.

    The Minnesota governor and vice president sat down for a one-on-one interview Sunday and connected, despite having little relationship prior to the vice presidential selection process, according to two people close to the process granted anonymity to discuss private conversations.

    But several other factors were important to Harris as well, according to one of the people. Harris appreciated Walz’s two terms as governor because he had accomplishments in Minnesota that Harris wants to replicate in her presidency — access to reproductive health, paid leave, child tax credits and gun safety.

    Harris was also taken with Walz’s biography — a former high school teacher, a football coach and a veteran who flipped a Republican-leaning district in 2006 — which she believes will play well in all three of the Blue Wall states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, including his win as a House member in a Republican district.

    Walz is seen by Harris’ camp as a deft messenger, popularizing “weird” as a messaging framework to describe former President Donald Trump and Sen. JD Vance — a cutting and clear tagline that went viral over the last two weeks.

    Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro, another finalist, avoided the green-room circuit and instead touted Harris and his own record at a series of events throughout the state. A pro-Harris event in Philadelphia turned into a Shapiro-for-VP party.

    His style was seen by at least some in Harris’ world as showboating. One senior Democrat in touch with Harris’ team called it “counterproductive.”

    And there was a sense within Shapiro’s team that, unlike Walz, his interview with Harris did not go as well as it could have. There was “not a great feeling” coming out of it, according to a person in touch with his advisers.

    After their meeting on Sunday, Shapiro called Harris’ team and made clear that he was “struggling with the decision to leave his current job as governor of Pennsylvania, in order to seek the vice presidency,” according to a person familiar with the selection process.

    Harris’ team initially cast a wide net that included as many as a dozen names, according to two people familiar with the vetting process granted anonymity to discuss private conversations. But that group quickly narrowed to about nine candidates who were asked to submit material to the vetting team, including financial disclosures and campaign ads from previous races.

    The vetting team was led by campaign chair Jen O’Malley Dillon, campaign Chief of Staff Sheila Nix, former Attorney General Eric Holder, former White House counsel Dana Remus and Tony West, Harris’ brother-in-law and a former top official in the Department of Justice.

    The team met with six of the candidates over Zoom last week, including Walz, Shapiro, Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear, Arizona Sen. Mark Kelly, Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg and Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker. The vetting ended on Thursday and Holder and Remus put together their findings for a panel of Harris confidantes.

    That panel included former Labor Secretary Marty Walsh, Harris campaign adviser Cedric Richmond and Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto (D-Nev.). They interviewed the candidates again on Friday.

    On Saturday, those involved in the process, joined by Harris’ White House Chief of Staff Lorraine Voles, briefed Harris on their findings, discussing each candidate for about an hour to 90 minutes. By that afternoon, Shapiro, Kelly and Walz were invited to the Naval Observatory for one-on-one meetings with Harris, described as a “chemistry test.”

    Harris and her staff wanted to take as much time as possible, considering the stakes of the decision and the truncated process she had to employ. Harris told staff on Sunday that she wanted to sleep on it, a person involved in the vetting told POLITICO, adding that Harris made the decision yesterday and told a small set of staff Monday evening.

    Harris’ staff was preparing for the possibility that any one of the finalists could be picked. Beginning Sunday, staff prepared videos, messaging memos, stump speeches and website graphics for all three men.

     
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    Better stated ... The Democratic cats disdain for being herded is why this is an issue.
     
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    Right. From a pure 1s and 0s standpoint, you basically HAVE to win PA. I like Walz, but the math is clear. Walz giving you a tiny boost in whatever nice-to-have state is meaningless compared to taking a significant step forward in PA.

    If Harris wins, it's likely a blowout now.

    I think Trump will win PA and that will be the deciding factor.
     
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    First - Van Jones didn't say that the selection of Walz was her caving into the darker side of the party, he said it is fair to question if it is the case.

    Second - yeah, there are some antisemitic people that have been marveled into the Democratic party in 2024 because of Gaza. That doesn't mean that everyone or even most of those that strongly support the Palestinians is an antisemite - but there are some.

    Third - Tim Walz and Kamala Harris are not antisemites and not all of the Arab Americans in places like Michigan and Pennsylvania are either, but the reality is that the Democrats need those votes to win.

    Fourth - There are plenty of Zionists, in both the Democratic and Republican party that are anti- Arab and that has been the case for 60 years. The only reason it is an issue now is that there are not enough Arab Americans so that their voice is heard.

    Fifth - While antisemitism is an issue right now, it is nowhere CLOSE to the level of misogyny that is being pumped on the daily in this political cycle. At this point, my only conclusion is that the GOP leadership is so oblivious and entitled that they fail to see it, or they figure that Trump has already alienated women to such an extent, that he will only get the religious and old bigoted women to support him anyway, so there is no harm throwing incel meat on the fire.
     
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    the election will come down to PA.
     
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    Wow... can't wait for the Walz-Vance debate!

    I wonder which will resonate more- the message of "Hope" or the message of hate. Can't write this script any better.
     
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    That's why he was the risky pick. And of course some would go with that criticism. Heck, many of them would be the same people criticizing Harris for not picking the Jewish guy.

    He had more upside with moderates and independents, and more Electoral votes in his state, which was closer than MN 4 years ago and Trump won in 2016.
     
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    How often has a VP been brought onto a ticket to win their Homestate and delivered?

    When it comes to geography, the VP just doesn't seem to matter much historically. It seems like it COULD matter, and times are changing - but I am not sure that it matters as much as everyone thinks.

    The last time that I can think were a VP selection really mattered was when Pence was chosen, because he was an excuse for Evangelicals to use to ease their concern voting for Trump. Biden gave Obama experience - same with Cheney....

    I think the last VP to deliver a contested home state was LBJ - and that was 60 years ago.
     
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    I wouldn't say it will come down to it, but Harris needs it more than Trump. It is easy to look back at 2020 and say Biden didn't need PA, but if a Democrat can't win PA, why would we expect them to carry GA, AZ, WI, or NV in a big enough quantity to make up for losing PA? We'd need a shift that turns OH or FL back to the Left for PA to not be vital to Dems.
     
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    Probably a smart choice to spread the net over all the battleground states instead of just the one, albeit extremely important one in Pennsylvania.

    They couldn't win with just Penn, they still needed a little more in states they seem to still be a little behind in. If they get a few of the other swing states, they are probably gonna carry Pennsylvania too. I don't see it going red while other states go blue.
     
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    no idea who this is but he looks like that meme kid as an adult
     
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    Walz will do well in Wisconsin and Michigan. He culturally as a lot in common with people in Wisconsin and his inclusion will help in rural Michigan and he is safe enough to not scare off Arab American voters. Also - his strong union background and blue collar play will help in parts of Pennsylvania and Ohio. There are some voters in these states that would be uncomfortable with a bi-racial woman and an urban Jew as the ticket in some of these areas.

    Winning Pennsylvania is very important, but not if if costs you Michigan and possibly Wisconsin.

    Harris and Shapiro and likely Obama will hit Philadelphia and the wealthier suburbs in those areas VERY hard in an effort to get so many votes in those areas that they overcome losing the rural areas in Pennsylvania.
     

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