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"Why didn't he do it when he was president?"

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AleksandarN, Aug 1, 2024.

  1. AleksandarN

    AleksandarN Member

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  2. Os Trigonum

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    Did u not read the article?

    Biden reasserted that the release of Evan Gershkovich, Paul Whelan, Alsu Kurmasheva and Vladmir Kara-Murza would not have been possible without the US’ allies: Germany, Poland, Slovenia, Norway and Turkey.
     
  4. AleksandarN

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    You can’t be this stupid. You either being intellectual dishonest or you are just that stupid. I am giving you benefit of the doubt and saying the former. But who knows maybe you are that dumb. That also includes @Astrodome who liked your idiotic reply
     
  5. fchowd0311

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    Intellectual dishonesty to the right wing mind is a sign of intelligence. I'm being serious. It's a positive virtue. I think it stems from a narcissistic place of believing the people they disagree with aren't worth engaging sincerely because they don't deserve it or something.

    It's also why these type of extremist candidates like Trump win GOP primaries because these people vote based on how much their preferred candidate "owns" their ideological opponents rather than based on sincere policy desires. This really isn't a phenomenon on the left. The left's love for people like Bernie Sanders has nothing to do with trying to trigger right wingers for example.

    The closest mirror of that phenomenon on the liberal moderate side is probably someone like John Fetterman who got some appeal by your establishment liberal types because they thought his zingers were awesome.
     
  6. HTM

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    I think it was a joke. Lighten up Francis.
     
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  7. HTM

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    On a serious note, I hate these deals.

    Reckless and selfish conduct by American citizens resulting in the West giving up actual Russian assets in return for pumpkins.
     
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    A story of my life with my right wing friends and peers I served with.

    Say absolutely unhinged things about brown people or Muslims and then see a face that isn't receptive to those statements and claim "I was just joking".
     
  9. No Worries

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    Came here for the Infrastructure Week, but will stay for the Russian Prisoner Swap.

    Dollars to donuts, Dementia Don takes full credit for the swap ... because reasons ...
     
  10. Jugdish

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    He just posts 'em, he doesn't read 'em.
     
  11. HTM

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    Well, there was nothing racially charged in that comment. Your comparison is poor. It was clearly a joke but go on and be upset or offended or whatever.
     
  12. fchowd0311

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    No it's a common sentiment with right wing rhetoric that doesn't have to involve race.


    Insincerity when being on the wrong side of history is a coping mechanism that is deeply ingrained subconsciously to most right wing people who comment online.
     
  13. HTM

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    People are allowed to make jokes. It was a joke. It was obvious to see. It was a joke without any racial charge. You decided to go far afield and somehow connect racism to it and now continue to rant about in the lack of sincerity in online discourse blah, blah, blah. It was a one liner made in jest based a interpretation of the written word.

    No racism, no ism's of any kind. Lighten up.
     
  14. fchowd0311

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    Why are you saying I thought it was racist?

    I'm saying right wing SOP is whenever reality is against their narratives, they resort to trying to be funny to deflect.
     
  15. HTM

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    You treated the statement literally. When it was pointed out it was obvious it was a joke, you connected it to racism immediately. Because, you know, of course. You then tried taking it further afield.

    I don't see what "reality" OS was "trying to deflect" - I see an opportunistic one liner made casually based off the written word in the post. I'm not sure what OS's position is regarding prisoner swaps.
     
  16. fchowd0311

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    Buddy I knew the instant I saw a reply by os trig on this thread it would be a non serious reply trying to make a joke.

    So obviously you aren't understanding what my point is.
     
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    link will work for everyone

    WSJ Reporter Evan Gershkovich Is Free
    Russia’s release of 32-year-old American secured as part of largest East-West prisoner swap since Cold War

    https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/ev...ky2ey522qqgeh8&reflink=article_imessage_share

    excerpt:

    Russia freed wrongly convicted Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gershkovich as part of the largest and most complex East-West prisoner swap since the Cold War, in which he and more than a dozen others jailed by the Kremlin were exchanged for Russians held in the U.S. and Europe, including a convicted murderer.

    Gershkovich and other Americans left Russian aircraft at roughly 11:20 a.m. ET at an airport in Turkey’s capital, Ankara. Gershkovich was then transported to an aircraft lounge on a Turkish bus. Russia had kept the 32-year-old behind bars for more than a year on a false allegation of espionage. It sentenced him in a hurried and secret three-day trial to 16 years in a high-security penal colony.

    Moscow also released former U.S. Marine Paul Whelan, journalist Alsu Kurmasheva and Vladimir Kara-Murza, a British-Russian dissident and Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist, sentenced to 25 years in prison on treason-related charges. Russia also released a number of political dissidents.

    The sweeping deal involved 24 prisoners and at least six countries, and came together after months of negotiations at the highest levels of governments in the U.S., Russia and Germany, whose prisoner, Russian hit man Vadim Krasikov, emerged as the linchpin to the arrangement.
    more at the link
     
  18. HTM

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    The recklessness/selfishness of Americans being detained in Russia is frustrating. I condemn, of course the Russian state for engaging in hostage taking but I also condemn the Americans who put themselves in absurdly dangerous positions and forced us to give Russia state assets back for them.

    Such bs.
     
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    at least we didn't trade arms for hostages
     
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    I think this comment may be fair for any future American (and European) private citizens captured and held hostage by Putin but not so much for those already captured and held hostage. In 2018, when Paul Whelan was captured and held hostage, while we didn't have the greatest relationship, we still had a typical, normal relationship with Russia. In 2023, when Gershkovich was captured and held hostage, he was working as a journalist.

    I hope no citizen ever visits there again, but I suspect journalists will continue to take the risk.
     
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