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Amen Thompson is the Rockets' REAL franchise player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Os Trigonum, Jun 26, 2023.

  1. Dobbizzle

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    So more goalpost moving and holding people to completely different standards? Seems legit.
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    The cult of Jalen is attacking any Rockets player that is better than their guy.... which is nearly the entire roster.
     
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    90% of your BBS content is ******** on Jalen Green. So are you part of a cult also but from the standpoint of hatred of a player?

    The healthier cult would be a fan of a team being a big fan of a player on said team.

    This requires self awareness on your part to examine these concepts.
     
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    When you are solely a fan of one of the worst players on a team, your interests and the interests of the team are not compatible.

    It's even worse when your obsession with the really awful player leads to you attacking every player on the team that is better than your really awful player.
     
  6. Tuckmose

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    No **** we have different standards for different players depending on their skillsets. Hakeem shot 20% from 3 for his career and nobody regards it as a failing because of all the other things he provided. He would of course be better if he were the world's first stretch big alongside his skills, but his play wasn't hampered by a lack of a three ball. If anyone AROUND Hakeem shot as poorly from 3, it would be a total disaster to have them in the lineup, as they don't have the skillset of a Hakeem to make up for their deficiencies.
     
  7. bustamove

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    and they shouldn't really be touting Jalen's almost 8 3 pt attempts per game at 33%

    thats last years Jordan Poole shooting bad
     
  8. DatRocketFan

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    booby would literally glaze anybody on the team to sht on green.
    man is a weirdo there was a time he was praising the likes of garrison mathews
     
  9. fchowd0311

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    With Hakeem the ball in his hands was the most effective offense due to concepts like gravity and the old era of the NBA that had high usage post offenses.


    Are you saying Amen's superpower is on ball gravity? Because I would say that is his weakness and is more relevant in the modern NBA.

    This concept makes more sense with Sengun as his speciality is self creation in the paint. You can at least build a old school inside out Hakeem style offense of someone with immense gravity when they post up in the paint. But that isn't Amen.

    So this is merely just the fact that Amen is potentially a all-nba level defender that is making us not care that he is a bad shooter relative to Jalen. Nothing to do with offensive traits.
     
  10. BreakYoSelfFool

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    Amen Thompson
    career field goal percentage 53.6%
    career efg percentage 54.5%
    career true shooting percentage: 57.6%

    Jalen Green
    career fg 42.1% (never hit 43%+) :oops:
    career efg 49.6% (never hit 51%+)
    career true shooting percentage: 54.2% (never hit 55%+)

    Missed 3pters:
    Amen: 50
    Jalen: 404 last season 1072 career :eek:

    How is Amen a bad shooter relative to Jalen?
     
  11. fchowd0311

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    What do you think some of my arguments might be. I want to ask you if you fully thought this through. I want you to guess what my arguments will be.
     
  12. BreakYoSelfFool

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    1. That's because Jalen has poor shot selection
    2. Jalen's off balance shots with his legs flying everywhere look cooler
     
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    I was wondering why there are so many posts here, cause there's really not much to say about Amen. His floor is something like a rich man's Matisse Thybulle. His ceiling is superstar. And where does he land in between those extremes is essentially determined by his shooting development. Unless we have training videos of him swishing jumpshots like it's the most natural thing in the world, there's not much to talk about him in the offseason.
     
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    Is that why Grayson Allen has a higher scoring efficiency than Devin Booker?



    One player plays the dunker spot role and roll man in pnr plays. These are offensive roles that inherently provide easy paint opportunities, put backs etc.

    The crazy indication of how much more talented green is at finishing at the rim for example is that both are at around 70% fg% from 0-3 ft from the rim but one of them has a boat load of put backs and open dunker spot attempts at the rim which is insane. I would figure Amen would have a significantly higher percentage given that he has a lot more offensive put backs and open attempts at the dunker spot.


    Ask me why when Amen has the ball, defenders play him like repellant magnets trying to be as far away from him as possible and when Jalen has the ball they'll do things like blitz him and meet him at the perimeter?
     
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    Here is a break down of frequency and competence of each play type in terms of league percentile ranking. The color indicates frequency and the number is the percentile rank amongst the league.


    If you break down the play types you see what Amen's raw efficiency is higher. He gets most of his buckets from cuts and put backs.

    Bulk of Jalen's possessions are the primary ball handler for pnr possessions and he's above league average in competence at it. What ruins his efficiency is his catch and shoot spot up numbers but both suck at that, Amen even more.
     
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    A lot of numbers to show a poor shot selection. Seems like those shots should be going to Cam from the chart.
     
  17. fchowd0311

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    If you want to have a dude who averages more turnovers than assists run 10 primary ball handler pnr possessions per game then that is a you problem
     
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    What does poor shot selection look like and what does right shot selection look like. Numbers don’t show shot selection. Film does.
     
  20. Stephen_A

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    Jalen gets open looks just needs to keep shooting keep developing keep growing.
     

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