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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. bustamove

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    for the first 3 years booker improved his 3pt shooting efficiency by 2% every year. Jalen's has been the same around 33% no improvement at all.

    by year 3 booker was a full 5% better from the three vs JG

    last year's JG is close to last years Poole

    not the same as 3rd yr booker at all
     
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  2. glimmertwins

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    I mean, we need a SG regardless - while JG's minutes have impacts to some of those other players' minutes, the reality is Tari is not a long term solution at the SG(zero playmaking or facilitating skills, shaky shooting), Reed will never be able to play SG long term more than in very specific matchups because of his size(I see him as our FVV replacement), Amen's shooting makes it difficult to see him as our long term guard solution - really it's between JG and Cam to compete for the long term starter on this team at SG OR we look for trade targets (I get the impression Devin Booker is the long term hope here). You could also make the argument that Cam is more suited as our SF(he has shades of Jaylen Brown) but again that creates competition for the minutes of Tari/Amen.

    While people **** on JG's play, he has been better than Cam overall who aside from shooting did everything worse than JG last year....that being said I do think you have to give Cam more minutes this year to prove himself and potentially those are at JG's expense. FWIW, I still think Jalen can be a long term SG in the league - on this team even...but not as a max contract Batman or even a Robin. I think that's the error of most people's premise here that Jalen is worthless as an NBA starter because they have expectations of him as the #2 pick OR observationally from how he functions as a featured player on a team. If you moved him off ball with someone else creating, I contend he would likely be A LOT more effective. Maybe Reed will be that guy to show the vision for what Jalen could be when there is some other perimeter player with some gravity sharing the court with him. I think it's worth exploring this year what the offense and what Jalen looks like when we aren't asking him to be James Harden when he has the ball.

    Bottom line, the team has to start pulling the strings for trades because there isn't enough minutes to go around at this point and we are going to lose value on a lot of these guys if they are stuck not getting minutes when they could otherwise be solid players with more opportunity. Maybe JG is that guy but personally I think if you aren't getting great deals for him, then he is more valuable as a less than max long term SG as a secondary or tertiary playmaker on this team who maybe gets his minutes staggered to play the role of a primary with bench units.
     
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  3. Bobbythegreat

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    So far, going back to 1988, Jalen Green is the only top 10 pick by the Rockets to not have even one season at or above .100 WS/48.... but if I extend it to the top 20 picks, Jalen joins Rockets legends like

    Marcus Morris, Royce White, Bosjan Nachbar, Michael Dickerson, Bryce Drew, Mirsad Turkan, and John Turner.
     
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  4. Sooner423

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    With Tari available, it wouldn't surprise me if Jabari finds himself on the bench more often. I hope Jabari makes another step forward this year.
     
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  5. Stephen_A

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    Cam isn’t a 2 guard dude. Doesn’t have the tools and Frankly at this moment not good enough and a work in progress. Hopefully he will get there.
     
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  6. Bobbythegreat

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    He can shoot, that's by far the most important tool a SG needs.... and a tool the current SG doesn't have.
     
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  7. Stephen_A

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    yawn.
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    I like it when you know I'm right and you don't even attempt to disagree.
     
  9. fchowd0311

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    Booker went from year two to three with no change in team expectations, coaching regimes, new high usage players added etc. He was allowed continuity in "cooking" with no care to develop outside of that like putting in effort on defense. Hence his team won 21 games.

    Jalen Green continuing under the Silas regime with no care to try on defense and allowed to "cook" would probably improve upon his 22 ppg 54% the season scoring wise and we would win 20 something games but I guess a benefit is you wouldn't be b****ing about his scoring but rather him being one of the worst defenders in the league and that his scoring has no impact on winning.


    And have you cared to look at anything else besides three point shooting? Booker was a worse finisher at the rim compared to his rookie year. What about that. Have you looked at his pnr playmaking efficiency per possession for each year to see if he improved?

    What about defense? According the dbpm he was a worse defender his second and third years compared to his rookie year.

    Improvement isn't linear. Booker improved as a three point shooter and wasn't consistently improving in other areas like most players.

    Jalen Green hasn't improved as a three point shooter but has in other aspects like interior scoring, pnr playmaking and defense.
     
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  10. jim1961

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    Tari need more minutes, Cam needs more minutes, Amen need more minutes, Reed will need new minutes. This is what many are saying and and I agree with all of it. But in order for any of that to happen, a starter must be moved or demoted. Unless we find a trade partner for Dillon, JG is the foremost guy in the crosshairs.
     
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  11. fchowd0311

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    Those guys need minutes and the only player who will overlap the team needs of Jalen Green would be arguably Reed Sheppard in terms of navigating pnr possession.


    You aren't going to have Cam Whitmore run 10 primary ball handler pnr possessions
     
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    Okay, done.

    In the Rockets franchise history, there have been 4 players taken in the top 10 who failed to have a season at or above .100 WS/48 in their first 3 seasons....

    Cliff Meely
    Bingo Smith
    Pat Riley
    Jalen Green

    True Rockets legends.

    BTW, this includes Amen and Jabari.... both have already managed at least one >0.100 WS/48 season
     
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  13. Stephen_A

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    Thats what u think? Then ur less intelligent than I thought
     
  14. MadMax

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    Who could forget the smooth stylings of Bingo “Was His Name” Smith?
     
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    Might have a shot at being a hall of fame coach though?
     
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    No Cam will not be primary ball handler for those possessions. However he will get more minutes which gives us better shooting. Meanwhile Reed and Amen gain minutes who will get to be the primary ball handlers. If we don't give them the opportunity then we may mess up their development by continuing to throw good money after bad.
     
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  17. fchowd0311

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    Cam's sample size of 3s and ft% makes the claim that he's a better shooter than Jalen not as certain as I think you believe.

    I would also say Jalen's form is more compact, more one motion and effortless. Cam has this exaggerated two motion shot. To be fair Tatum has a similar exaggerated two motion shot and is a great shooter.
     
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  18. Bobbythegreat

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    Bingo will be the Rockets numero uno!
     
  19. coachbadlee

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    Which one of these led their team on a win streak thus giving them a chance at a play-in when they weren't even being considered at first?? No excuses. Just give me an answer.
     
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  20. Bobbythegreat

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    I'm not going to look up if anybody of them had 8v good games once, it's not relevant, they were all dogshit like Jalen.
     

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