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Alperen Sengun is the Rockets' franchise player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Jan 17, 2023.

  1. fchowd0311

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    Majority of the media just reported it. Most rockets media personality on Twitter that do things beyond just reporting with opinions expressed said it was a confusing decision.
     
  2. ROXTXIA

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    You're deliberately looking past how many were calling for Sengun to be the 2nd stringer, or a 6th man type, with "another center on the roster" being the starter.

    Replace, no. Displace, yes.
     
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    Yes because not many of those people existed. It's a persecution complex.
     
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    This sites owner left the article about Bruno starting over Sengun as the top article on the main Clutchfans site for the entire season. Of course he is entitled to his own opinion.
     
  5. fchowd0311

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    The owner of Clutchfans barely updates the front page of the site regardless because barely anyone uses the front page of the site. Almost everyone who interacts with Clutchfans is through the BBS.
     
  6. clos4life

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    So you have not written countless diatribes about why Jalen is the better player with more potential than Cam, Amen, Reed like the one i am literally replying to? Perhaps I am thinking of a different fchowd0311 on this board that goes unhinged and triggered, all hot and bothered, fuming, raging at the mere mention of Jalen not being the best backcourt player on the team with potential like Devin Booker or better. Sorry about that. Will the real fchowd0311 please stand up?
     
  7. fchowd0311

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    Sure... When someone makes the claim that they are better than Jalen. Just like how you'd get hot and bothered if someone said that Clingan will end up better than Sengun or any random young big that might join the team.
     
  8. clos4life

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    Then we are both the same, passionately believing the players we root for are better than the choices being thrown around by others on our board. Jokic better than Sengun? Sure. Bruno or Mamba better than Sengun? Not likely and that's why we are posting on this fan board for the Rockets.
     
  9. fchowd0311

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    No we aren't the same because I don't get triggered from the mere fact another player of the same position of my favorite player joins the team. When someone merely discusses deepening our big man rotation with some better paint protection, many Sengun fans see that as a threat for some reason. Which is weird because Sengun relative to Jalen has a more certain future on this team

    I don't recall a serious poster saying Bruno can end up better than Sengun. Maybe there are a couple of trolls. But no poster I respect as sincere says **** like that.
     
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    Has anyone been bothered that we added Adams and Landale? Not that I can think of.

    What bothered most of us is some believed scrubs like Bruno should replace Sengun as a starter. Why you don’t see the difference is beyond me.
     
  11. fchowd0311

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    Everyone thought that was a perplexing decision.
     
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    So what are you complaining about?
     
  13. clos4life

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    Deepening? Yes, we love Jock and Adams. Heck, in certain match ups Adams might be even better than Sengun. However, just last year people were calling for Mamba to replace, not deepen the rotation. That's ridiculous and different than adding depth.

    I've read your posts and they read pretty triggered by Cam (Amen, Reed, etc.) replacing Jalen posts, even if you say you don't feel that way. Perhaps you just feel like you are different, but it looks and reads exactly like you are triggered.
     
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    There are literal claims made in the past two pages that this was a celebrated decision by people like rockets Twitter fandom.
     
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    The funniest part is that he does it on Reddit, Twitter and who knows where else also.
     
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    I think most of us sometimes (and Silas all the time) fall into the trap of only thinking about what was instead of what can be. Sengun didn't fit if you were still thinking in the Harden-era mindset or still dreaming of Dream. Sengun fits and excels if you can imagine a squad of excellent perimeter defenders who move on offense. You play with the guys you have, not the ones you used to have or the ones you wish you had. A good coach makes it work.
     
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    That's creepy brah.


    No matter what you think of my obsession with Jalen Green, it isn't as unhinged as your post count of talking about how evil Muslims and trans people are on a NBA team fan message board.

    Always remember that.
     
  18. J.R.

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    They were building around Kevin Porter Jr. and Bruno “fit”.

    https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/rockets/article/Houston-Rockets-Bruno-Fernando-Alperen-Sengun-C-17521318.php


    If Rockets coach Stephen Silas’ only consideration when choosing his center rotation was putting Alperen Sengun in the role to be his best, he would have done just what he did and brought him off the bench.

    If his only consideration was how Bruno Fernando and Sengun would fit with the other starters and the second unit to follow, he would have made Fernando the starter.

    The decision might have been more difficult if one were true and the other not. Instead, after months in which Sengun seemed certain to succeed Christian Wood as the Rockets’ starting center, he didn’t.

    “It’s both; it’s so much of both,” Silas said of his reasons for the lineup decision at center. “Alpe needs the ball to be successful and I have the ability to run more plays for him, get him more touches with the second group. And Bruno with the first group does those things as far as rolling, getting out of the way and allowing those guys driving lanes. It fits both.

    “Both, the group playing well and Alpe playing well are things I’m thinking about a lot.”

    “He does a great job (defensively,)” Silas said. “He’s a very good communicator. He is quick to the ball, whether it is a rebound or a block or a help. His energy and his athleticism help our group. All (centers) are usually anchors of the defense. He did a good job of that.”


    https://www.houstonchronicle.com/te...-insider-Alperen-Sengun-rotation-17528007.php

    If it seemed to be a safe assumption all summer that Alperen Sengun would become the Rockets’ starting center, it might have appeared more obvious on Saturday that he would start now that Bruno Fernando is out with a sore left knee.

    He did not. And it was an entirely understandable, perhaps even bold move that was not just justifiable for the Rockets in their brutal, schedule-loss night against the Bucks; it might have been the best thing for Sengun.

    …But against the Bucks, as with the matchup with the Grizzlies the night before, Sengun was well-served to remain in his backup center role.

    “With (Brook) Lopez as a pick-and-pop type guy, I wanted to have Jabari (Smith Jr.) on him, and then I wanted to give Us (Usman Garuba), the opportunity to guard Giannis (Antetokounmpo) and use his quickness and physicality and all that,” Rockets coach Stephen Silas said after the Bucks rolled past the Rockets, 125-105.

    Lineups, he had said, could continue to be fluid, based on matchups.

    Fernando set screens, cleared room, and put a big body on centers, including the brawny Steven Adams.

    Sengun could post up and play his way with the second unit, even bullying smaller fill-in centers.

    A valid argument can be made that Sengun’s importance to the Rockets’ rebuild means he should play with Jalen Green and Kevin Porter Jr. to develop chemistry and a working fit with the backcourt.

    There are counters to that argument: he is, and he will.

    This is not a baseball lineup that cannot be changed midway through the game. A rotation, especially in a rebuild, is fluid.

    A coach’s job is to put his or her players in positions to do what they do best. That is the quality coaches often respect in their peers. That was the attribute, among others, that put Rudy Tomjanovich in the Hall of Fame and that he admired most (along with teams sticking to their style and strengths when under pressure) in others.

    For most of his two seasons, Silas had few options, little chance to be creative or even find ways to buck the norm.

    He not only did that with his decision to start the season with Sengun as a reserve; he did it when he likely knew there would be public backlash and with an early schedule that would not provide many chances for wins to serve as a retort.

    This was treated as something he did to Sengun when it more accurately could be considered something he did for him.

    There is a long list of stars, Hall of Famers even, that came off the bench to start their careers, from Sam Jones to Kevin McHale and to this year’s inductee, Manu Ginobili. Though in entirely different circumstances, the Clippers began the season with Kawhi Leonard and John Wall coming off their bench. It was not treated as an insult.

    The past stars might not have been playing behind someone that began the season with a training camp contract. But Fernando excelled in his two starts, moving the ball, defending, and finishing well in Atlanta and setting gobs of screens and keeping his big body on Adams against Memphis.


    https://www.houstonchronicle.com/te...ts-Alperen-Sengun-Bruno-Fernando-17616254.php

    Fernando thrived as a rim runner, rebounder and screener in the two starts he made prior to his injury, when he also surpassed expectations with his playmaking by combining for nine assists with one turnover (including seven assists and no turnovers in the season opener against Atlanta). He played just 17 minutes in his return, scoring seven points on 3-of-5 shooting with three boards, but his presence opened up space for Houston’s guards to operate.

    “Definitely,” Rockets guard Kevin Porter Jr. said. “He's our primary lob threat. Probably him and K.J., but he's a lot bigger than K.J. so they definitely respect him more rolling. But definitely, it helps me, it helps Jalen (Green), it helps EG (Gordon), the primary creators just to have open floor and open space. They gotta respect the lob. So there's a lot of more easy layups out there.”

    Fernando is a more physical defender than Sengun, and on offense presents a bigger lob threat who can draw opposing defenders away from the Rockets’ ball handlers.

    Feigen: Why Alperen Sengun may fit Rockets best off the bench

    Off the bench, Sengun could get more touches than when setting screens for guards Green and Kevin Porter Jr., as any big men playing with the Rockets’ top scorers must. Sengun also could have advantages with his post moves that he would not against starters and might not have much opportunity to try if he is starting, anyway.

    If he remains a starter, Silas does not plan to get the ball to Sengun early in games just to keep him engaged as the Pistons famously did in their championship season with Ben Wallace. In his case, the first play of each half could be the only touch he would get. Sengun would be more involved than that and is not at Wallace’s level of Hall of Fame bound defender and rebounder.
     
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    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/3707729/2022/10/19/jalen-green-kevin-porter-rockets/

    Green, Porter, Gordon and Smith are lineup locks but barring a last-minute change, Bruno Fernando has also emerged as a strong possibility to start at center instead of Sengun on opening night, The Athletic understands. Both have been used with the first team recently in practice. Fernando has made impressions with the team for his physicality and improving defense, rebounding ability and rim running — well-equipped athletically to play in Houston’s up-tempo system.



    https://www.clutchfans.net/12583/alperen-sengun-rockets-off-the-bench/

    When the Rockets traded Christian Wood, it was crystal clear that Alperen Şengün was the new starting center for the Houston Rockets.

    As we’re on the cusp of the Rockets 2022-23 season opener, there’s only one problem — he’s not.

    Bruno Fernando is expected to get the starting nod at the five for the Rockets, leaving many to wonder why the second-year center out of Turkey is coming off the bench.

    There are a couple reasons why.

    First, the Rockets are trying to optimize their prospects, putting them each in the best position to succeed. In the case of Sengun, they want to leverage his passing skillset by making him an offensive hub. That’s difficult to do when you have ball-dominant guards in Jalen Green and Kevin Porter Jr., who thrive out of isolation and are trying to make progress leading pick-and-rolls.

    Fernando is a much more limited player, but he fits better right now with the starters because he screens/rolls hard and plays above the rim as an alleyoop threat — it’s been fairly apparent in the preseason how the guards use him. While not a great defender, Fernando also is more of a rim protector than Sengun.

    Secondly, Sengun needs to adapt more to the NBA game. The Rockets very much believe in his prospects — he’s only 20 years old — and they still consider him the best five on the roster. But the NBA is a much different game than EuroBasket, which is where he spent more of his offseason focus. The days of just dumping the ball into a post player seem to be dwindling in the NBA. He’s got to get quicker, stronger, tougher — but most important of all, he’s got to shoot the ball better from range.

    My two cents: I give the Rockets props for doing this so early. It’s been apparent to me that the Rockets have multiple players who would be considered secondary playmakers, and to maximize their skills, they need the ball in their hands (imagine if the Rockets drafted Paolo Banchero … grateful every day that Jabari fell to #3!). This hopefully allows for that. Playing Sengun off the bench gives you an opportunity to play a variety of ways and also covers up a current deficiency at backup point guard.

    I don’t want to watch Sengun follow the guards around — I want to watch peak Sengun running offensive sets.

    Overall, I like it — let’s get the season going.


    And the thread (and those who defended it :D)

    https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/clutchfans-why-alperen-sengun-will-come-off-the-bench.317333/


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  20. AlperenSengun

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    That clutch article is a true embarrassment. Literally every claim is ridiculous and shouting either ‘I want anyone but Sengun’ or ‘I am here to justify the decision at any cost and I don’t have any independent thoughts’ or both.
     

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