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Zach Lowe: Rockets interested in Lauri Markkanen

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaBeard, Jul 26, 2024.

  1. Houston77

    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    Sorry, I didn't realize you are too dumb to realize how averages work. Aside from Shai, show me one superstar who averages their average every game. Averaging Desmond Bane's numbers over 23 games when you just turned 22 years old is impressive, period. I mean, the guy I'm comparing Green to - Bane - only averaged 9 points at 22 years old.
     
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    Again, if you think I've said something inaccurate, by all means attempt to craft a counter argument or attempt to point out what you think I said that was wrong and why.... but you just throwing a tantrum in response to me pointing out the "post all star game" narrative was BS just shows you really are truly unhinged when it comes to the issue.
     
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    The fact that I understand how averages work is the reason I was able to show how you were using them dishonestly to prop up bad games on either side of an 8 game hot streak.

    Just admit you got caught and don't do it again.
     
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    depends on the number of attempts and how much of those attempts are from the three
     
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    Jaylen Brown’s averages, like Jalen’s, were boosted by an awesome March in which he averaged 27 points while shooting .4 from 3. In February, he only averaged 20 points on .3 from 3, and averaged 19 points on .28 from 3 in April. Virtually every player has hot and cold streaks. Jalen has to become more efficient, but the fact that you don’t understand how the NBA works is pretty telling.
     
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    The problem is that you attempted to use the post all star game numbers to suggest falsely that it was more than just an 8 game hot streak, that Jalen was good from the all star game on.

    That's why I proved to you that, yes, it really was just an 8 game hot streak. Jalen performed poorly after the all star game before the hot streak and he was downright pathetic after the hot streak ended.

    So again, I ask that you stop being dishonest.
     
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    If Jalen Green had 23 games of current Desmond Bane and the other 59 games he had 22yr old Bane's numbers extrapolated to his minutes (Bane only played 22mpg as rookie), which is roughly 13 points on 10 shots including 43% from the 3pt line, Jalen Green discussion threads would look like Sengun discussion threads and everyone will just be anticipating his max contract coming next year.
     
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    This is very simplistic way of analyzing.

    This is how you can end up with a conclusion that Grayson Allenis a better scorer than Booker.

    22 year old Desmond Bane averaged 10 ppg on 60% ts and then you extrapolate that to starter minutes you can some neat number you can say looks better than Jalen.

    Except you missed the part that 22 year old Desmond Bane had a 60% ts while scoring 17% of his fgs made self created and 22 year old Jalen Green has 60% of his fgs made self created. That is a gap bigger than Clint Capella and Ant Edwards in self creator rate.on their fgs made.

    You can't compare scoring efficiency one to one like that for two players with completely different roles. Ask 22 year old Desmond Bane to create most of his buckets his scoring efficiency plummets well South of 54% ts Jalen Green.
     
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    Wish all these damn communist's would get off my Rockets Red Lawn!!!!!!!

    This place has slowly become SpursTalk 2.0!


    Go Rockets!!!!
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    Desmond Bane the next year average 18 points once again on .600 TS% and got a max contract 2 years later. So yeah, it looks like you can extrapolate efficiency for young players to be getting better with more experience. That's essentially the difference between a rookie growing and a vet randomly having a great shooting season. If you understand NBA this should be intuitive to understand.
     
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    Desmond Bane next season had a 29% self creation rate. That is less than even Cam Whitmore and we saw what his role was. He attacked closeouts, scored in open transition and catched and shooted. If he was asked to do what Jalen is asked to do we know his scoring efficiency would plummet.

    And any season after Bane's rookie year is a older age than current Jalen Green also. So now we are talking about a older more mature player with a more developed body.


    Players develop differently based on their roles. Bane would have hurdles he would need to figure out if he was asked to create almost all his buckets.
     
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    Spurstalk was a beast man. These comments come nothing close to the stuff being said over there lol
     
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    To get this thread back on original post:

    "Lauri has really taken to Utah. His family has taken to Utah," Jones said. "Obviously the Jazz can trade him between now and Aug 6th, and Lauri knows that, but Lauri has forged a really close relationship to Will Hardy. And Will has really found a way to unlock his career" "And Lauri really recognizes that and appreciates that, and wants to be a part of the rebuild."

    When it came to the odds of Lauri being actually traded, Tony Jones believes it's unlikely. If the Utah Jazz do trade Lauri to the Warriors, it will be for Brandin Podziemski and a plethora of draft picks.

    "I think we're trending towards the Jazz NOT trading Lauri," Jones said. "I don't think there's a package out there that they are overly interested in." (TWSS)

    per https://www.si.com/nba/warriors/new...n-trade-to-golden-state-warriors-01j42hyvk6z7

    I added TWSS ;)
     
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    An assessment of player performance doesn’t just mean assessing offensive performance and it doesn’t just mean shooting. It should take into account how well the player does in other areas including defense. If you are referring to offensive performance only then other areas to measure are paint scoring, driving ability, playmaking ability etc. Unfortunately some fans heavily weigh shooting 3s when assessing player performance or how “good” a player is.
     
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    What a weird post. You can't "extrapolate" like this. The reason why he was more efficient as a rookie was because he took fewer, less contested 3s against backups. That's why I hate "per 36" crap. Basketball doesn't work like this. Green is an example of this -- it's true that Green fell off in April, but anyone who watched the games knows that the primary reason this happened was because teams started focusing heavily on him, and no one else really stepped up to take the pressure off.
     
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    He certainly "fell off" from the 8 game hot streak.... but a better way to describe it was that he regressed back into the caliber of player he's always been his entire career.
     
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    If you didn’t watch the games, just say you didn’t watch the games. I went to several of them — there were times during the GS game where Green was triple-teamed. It was absurd.
     
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    He's a mindless chucker who absolutely dominates the ball despite his loose handle and poor court vision... of course you'd pressure him... that's always been the case though.

    The difference between his fluke 8 game hot shooting streak and the rest of his career is that he shot 47% from 3 during those 8 games vs 33% for his career and even less than that during the post hot streak games.

    If you watched the games and could understand what you were seeing, you'd know that.
     
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    lol sure. That's the reason they were pressuring.
     

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