Because he gives you zero passing, zero rebounding. I’ll admit I’m overreacting because I can’t stand him as a player, he’s definitely better than someone like jordan poole or scoot henderson. You can make fun of the metrics all you want but i have a hard time believing ALL of them, which ALL say he’s horrible, are wrong. the best players are always at the top of all those lists for a reason
I also think he is not bad and he is not good enough, he is decent. And sometimes when he is bad he is bad.
They don't. Let's go through the advanced stats shall we? PER - 181 in the league TS% - 155 in the league TRB% - 159 in the league AST% - 160 in the league STL% - 99 in the league BLK% - 174 in the league TOV% - 50 in the league WS - 179 in the league WS/48 - 158 in the league BPM - 178 in the league VORP - 561 in the league So literally just the one cherry picked "advanced stat" shows that he's horrible. Next bullshit nonsense?
But when he’s 181 in PER, that’s out of 185. VORP I believe is the only one that counts literally every player who plays a single minute which is how he can be 561, because like 200 guys are at 0 and brooks is negative. I believe the rest are out of 185 qualifying players. A bunch of those are also stats, not metrics.
Stats are things that actually happened, these are advanced statistics. Are you under the impression that estimates are more valid than real statistics? I have this awesome bridge you might be interested in.
I love how DB has impacted the culture and nurtured these guys. I love how he defended Wemby. But Tari or Cam need to come in and take his spot this year…
Tari, Cam, and Amen all should take his spot and minutes. Brooks is an okay role player with no upside. His purpose on the team is no longer needed. The Rockets should prioritize the development of the young guys.
I agree with these, I think we should be looking to trade him for an upgrade elsewhere at this point as his position is arguably the most stacked if Amen's a 3/4 and not a 1.
How can you post all those stats/metrics where he is at the bottom of the league (except TO%), and then say he’s good? All of those are out of 185 eligible players
Are you genuinely trying to suggest that people who don't even put up good enough numbers to qualify are better? Let's just stop going back and forth now, we've already established you think made up "metrics" like VORP mean more than ACTUAL STATISTICS that really happened. It's a waste of both of our time, and I'm watching the Olympics. edit: just realised you're still lying. Having just checked a lot of them on my other screen, there are numerous players ranked lower than 185, so either you're lying or you're being wilfully ignorant, either way I don't debate intellectual dishonesty. Peace.
He is an ok basketball player. That’s it. He helped re-set our culture and is a decent 3 pt shooter when wide open. He cannot create at all, is a poor passer, and probably the worst rebounder I’ve ever seen at his size. He needs to be traded so that Amen can take his place in the starting line-up. We have two sf’s better than him right now and a third in the works in Cam. Who would you rather get the SF minutes? Amen, Cam, Tari and our new Australian sharp shooter all need minutes. Brooks for a pick or Brooks and a pick for a backup shooting/combo guard like Brogdon.
And what about the $63M we still owe him? Think he is worth that to other teams? Think we are going to bench him for 3 years? I think we are stuck with him at least another year, maybe 2.
Dillon gotta go by the trade deadline. 1). Tari will be fully healthy by then 2). With Reed and Fred in the fold Amen ain’t gonna be playing point and off-ball guards have to shoot. Amen needs to log minutes at the 3&4. 3). Dillon was really inconsistent last year. If you just look at the overall production it hides the wild swings in his shooting efficiency. Great the first half, but terrible the 2nd half. 4). Brooks can defend at a high level but even that was inconsistent last year. He doesn’t rebound and he had close to a 1:1 assist to TO last yr. 5). Cam will need to log some minutes at the 3 next season. I think Dillon’s a good player. He’s coming of his best shooting yr at high volume. But he’s best coming off the bench on a good team. With Tari, Amen and Cam all needing minutes at the 3, Dillon should be moved at the deadline to a contender for a future asset or as part of a trade package for a core player. Any consolidation trade should start with Dillon…and probably the 2021 rookie we decide not to extend, which I’m pretty sure will be Jalen.
I looked up bref rankings and for all three of these metrics, Tyus Jones ranked higher than Bridges. And Tyus Jones got $3mil FA contract. While Bridges got 5 1st round picks in a trade making $22mil/yr. I'm not nearly as familiar basketball value type numbers they way I am with baseball ones, but I can tell you flat out that if a value over replacement for Tyus Jones is higher than Bridges, then this stat is still too heavily based on player situation context and not that useful a tool by itself the way a WAR number in baseball can be.
Aren’t at least some of these stats designed to compare players to their own teammates rather than vs league? The rankings don’t make any sense.
Ya for sure, basketball isn’t like baseball where you can just look at war and that’s the end all be all. Bridges really struggled last season so his metrics fell off. It’s also why it’s good to look at a bunch. When jokic is forst in every metric, he’s probably the best. When scoot is last in all of em, he’s probably the worst. Even if not perfect, it’s still the best way to judge players. Using the “eye test” effectively would require watching every team play at least 65-70 games, which isn’t reasonable. How many tyus jones games did you watch? How many bridges games? Probably between 0 and 2 for each
I believe win shares roughly does that, a team that wins 41 games will have roughly 41 win shares to divide among the players
Yeah, that's why I didn't like the signing in the first place. I knew it would affect Tari's minutes at that time. Now we have two more young guys, Amen and Cam, in the fold. Both of them could have used the minutes in the wing. I don't know how much he is worth in the trade market. Maybe some team has a bad expiring contract and is willing to attach some draft capital to trade for Brooks.
I have not researched into these particular stats, but usually these type of models do account for both teammates and opponents. The methodology from when I originally looked into these, back when Morey was a GM and he hired some people doing this stuff, is actually quite sound. The issue is mostly that there's so much noise that it takes a large sample size to stabilize. So it works better for players who at the same level for several years. But sucks for players who consistently get better or worse or vacillate in their play quite a bit. In the end it's a useful tool but doesn't work well as end-all-be-all tool. This is different compared to baseball, where even public value over replacement type data correlates incredibly well with how teams pay free agents, which shows that there's a much close gap between public analytics and private team ones in that sport compared to NBA.
To me the best stats resides within teams, especially the more analytical teams. So if a public stat keeps contradicting what these teams do, then there clearly lack context that's not available to the public. I don't know what Brooks' value is if the Rockets tried to trade him, but his minutes played clearly indicates that the Rockets braintrust thinks well of him. And even if the Rockets hadn't given him that big contract, he had at least MLE offers from contenders last offseason. So clearly no one thinks of him as one of the worst players in the league. Personally I think he's properly paid and his role on this team make sense. And fans mostly hate him because they think he's taking time away from more exciting young guys. But honestly if you closely followed this team these past 3 years, playing all young guys is just plain stupid, because they all look lost out there and none of them learn anything and the media just lol at how pathetic the team is. And the reason why it didn't happen nearly as much this past year is because half the rotation are vets (Brooks, FVV, Uncle Jeff, Holiday).
