Omg I was trying to remember the standard Jim set for Jalen. That's the one you nailed it. 38% for 60% of his games lol. I even did the math for him, he barely budged.
I'm not going to try to show you that you're not just mildly negative about Jalen. The volume and content of your posts speak for themselves. As Dobizzle mentioned, you were demanding Green shoots 38% for 60 games. Meanwhile, Jabari Smith is in year 2, picked 3rd. He's basically Dillon Brooks on offense which is disappointing. He's the 5th best defender on a .500 team. Still, me and you are optimistic about his future. What happened to your stringent standards? Why doesn't the guy drafted as a shooter have to hit better than 38% for 60 games like you demanded of Green in year 3?
Immensely irrelevant. The difference is going to be one pick or two picks. Not worth pulling the trigger early on trading a potential star. The time to get value for Green was last summer. Last deadline he was playing poorly. This summer he's coming off a disappointing scoring season. Basically if he's worth two picks that means he's been playing well so why trade him? If he plays poorly, we'll get one pick anyway.
I am wildly negative about JG. No denying that. But that negativity is substantiated in his numbers from my point of view. The numbers for the other players mostly are better, so I am not negative about them, That seems like it should be easy to understand. The 38% quote was a guess. That was all. I even said so. To make it more than that just isnt in context.
I'm good with the explanation. Waiting for the part you omitted about Jabari. What are you expecting from him in year 3?
Mild to moderate improvement. Solid, but not all star like on the whole, although some games he will look that way.
The standards of shooting the 3 are different for different positions. The average 3 point percentage for a SG IS 37.1. The average 3 point percentage for a PF is 35.7. If Jalen shot 38% for 85% of the season, he probably ends up average to slightly below average for his position Jabari Smith is already above average for his position.
Let's put that back out there for clarity's sake, because these people genuinely don't have a clue what they're even looking at when they evaluate stuff. We'll just go easy shall we? Steph Curry 2023-24, greatest shooter of all time, most 3's in the season: 42 games over 38%, 3 games of 0%, 19 games at 30% or less (25% of his games) Grayson Allen, League leader in 3p% 23-24: 49 games over 38%, 6 games of 0%, 26 games at 30% or less (34% of his games.) Seems pretty clear that these people moaning about Jalen's "x games below x percent" and demanding ridiculous numbers know next to nothing about basketball. This is BASIC ****.
Isn't it insane that people believe in Amen's development more than Jalen's as a shooter? Amen has 18%, Jalen needs to make 1 extra 3 point attempt every 4 games to get to 35% or 1 extra 3 every 2 games to be a 37% shooter from deep. And they wonder why it's hard to buy into the narrative...
All I'm saying is, maybe don't try and talk down to people when you don't understand basic statistics. You don't get to really act like anybody else's takes are in any way bad or ridiculous after that tbh.
Generally speaking, most say sports is 75-90% mental, depending on who you ask. IMO, one of Jalen's biggest weaknesses and challenges are of the mental variety. Therefore, I am among those that believe more in other players becoming better shooters than Jalen becoming a better shooter. I am not here to predict Amen will be a better shooter than Jalen. Just that there is a decent possibility of it for reasons just stated. While there are several, here is one of many. https://scienceoxygen.com/who-said-sports-are-90-mental-and-10-physical/
Everyone has their share of bad takes my friend, so go ahead and dismiss the entire forum as ridiculous why don't you.
The spirit of what you said wasn't a bad take, you want Jalen Green to approach average shooting for his position and the cult threw a tantrum about it and nitpicked what you said. Don't apologize to those dishonest hacks.
That is what I meant, but I mangled the specifics in trying to say it. Yea it was nitpicked, but I have done some nitpicking myself, so I am coming clean about it. I will take my portion of crow when its deserved. What others do and don't do is up to them.
@Easy pointed out the problems with this kind of reasoning. Basic statistics say, Green attempted 1617 3pt shots with 33.7% over 3 years, pretty much the same average every year and again basic statistics say it is a very good estimate of his 3pt shooting now. If Amen makes 1 extra 3pt attempt every 4 games, he becomes a 50% 3pt shooter. If he could, he would but he can't. Same for Green. We all hope he can do it, but it is not easy, and certainly not a given. If he can pull it to 35% it is a win for him, if he can do 37% it is a huge win for him. Nobody can diminish it by saying 'oh he just scored 1 extra attempt in every 2 games, that was easy'.
Just curious maybe you are more of an optimistic than me. But how many more games of him being up down would it take for you to admit he is what he is? So far we have a 225 game sample size. How many more seasons does he need to prove it to us because of his contract situation his time is almost running out.
Alot of that is because Booker isn't as athletic as Green, so he gets his points/buckets in a different manner.
The massive thing missing here is that Green is taking 7+ attempts on average. It's a total distortion of his first two seasons especially, tanks his efficiency. That's what overshooting does. I thought Udoka would fix this but he couldn't figure out how to unpack the paint till Sengun went down. I mention this because you describe Green as though we're at a dead end for easy answers. It's not a mechanics issue, it's a shot selection issue. We've never seen him take an appropriate number of attempts for his skill level. The truth is he can cut his attempts in half which will certainly pull his efficiency up significantly as it would for any NBA player. No such option exists for Amen who has to build from scratch.
