Sorry to have misunderstood. So you don't mind people label and accuse you of all sorts of crap you don't do? Got it! I'll remember that. BTW, you haven't answered my serious question to you about giving Jalen a max extension.
I feel from reading a lot of fans on Jalen Green is that because he's so inconsistent, you can make any conclusion about him and both be right or wrong Regarding his finishing at the rim, you would be correct to say he's improved last season vs. his 2nd year. But in reality his best year at finishing was his rookie year. In his rookie year he took 27% of his shots at the rim on 68% shooting. In this past year he took 22% of shots from the rim at 69% shooting. Same if you want to say he improved on finishing at the rim over the course of the past season. I noted in another thread that someone said he was much better driving to the basket later in the season. But really if you look at nba.com's tracking stat, he was actually quite good in November, bad in December, decent in January, bad in February, excellent in March, and decent in April. Jalen Green has always been a roller of a player both between seasons and within each season. If he actually had any significant key improvements that actually held over the course of time, there wouldn't be nearly as many people down on him. And it would've reflected in his overall results.
If the Rockets won 21 games at the end of last season, most people here would be like "it's time to package the entire young core for some decent players now because this ain't it". Devin Booker in his 3rd year averaged 24 ppg on a 21 win team. If you were a Suns fan at that time you'd be the one asking to trade Booker. "Three seasons and all he's gotten us was 21-24 wins per year". Understand if the Rockets kept Silas, didn't trade for FVV, and kept the same offensive system that allowed Green to be comfortable with how he wants to play offense and not try on defense at all he'd probably advance his second year scoring numbers of 22 ppg at 54% TS to around what Booker was in his third year but the team would win 22 games and you'd be asking to trade the entire core to salvage it... We would feel like Pistons fans now questioning if we even have a future.
Im still trying to figure out what subjective arguments I've made about Jalen that is not facts. There are plenty of trades I wouldn't do for Jalen. Like Bradley Beal is a no I'd rather keep Jalen. Just the proposals people throw out are so lopsided in our favor that it's crazy that people on this board wouldn't do it. You take my statements as hate but I'm more trying to temper your expectations about him. I feel like he's is what he is. The high of highs and low of lows with no consistency. Not sure how he can improve on that. He'd be a perfect 6th man maybe a 5% chance he becomes a star but it's unlikely to happen. Hope I'm wrong and he becomes something but he seems like a flawed player. Like I said before if we had any other owner I'd be all for paying him and giving him some more time to figure it out but the problem is that we have Tillman Ferttita who's proven to not want to spend into luxury tax. If Jalen gets close to the max which I think he will since teams have gone insane and given out those contracts to players like Immanuel Quickley. I feel like signing Jalen to a long term deal is too much of a risk and it will hurt us in the long run because of all the young guys that will be up for extensions. If we miss on Jalen it could cost us one of our other young guys... he's basically got til the trade deadline to either be a max player or get traded but the problem is if we wait til then to trade him his value will be really low and we won't get a good return for him. Which is why it makes more sense to trade him now.
A 21-22 year old showing flashes of legit superstardom for sustained 15 game stretches but with very inconsistent stretches is different than a 26 year old just being inconsistent with highs and lows. That is when someone is designated as a 6th man type. A 21-22 year old doing it is a sign of "wait and see he has superstar potential".
Nice post. I just think that some of the data contest. It was easier to rack up assists under the Silas years because it was a god-awful lawless mess. And I’m going to guess that the amount of time or possession he had is more. I could be wrong. I really generally just go off the eyeball test with a sprinkle of data and context. I almost see his first two years has lost seasons. Undoubtedly some things happen that developed him and other things happen that held him back. To me, this is a very young player that will likely make improvements for the next 4 to 6 seasons. The biggest problem is just how confident do we feel in paying upfront. And I definitely don’t have an answer. It seems as a generality most NBA players improve their shooting over time.
This is where we disagree on his potential. I think he has star potential but I don't think he will ever reach super star status. He will never do enough outside of scoring the basketball to become a Tier 1 level star. He just doesn't have the strength or the body type to be a consistent defender in this league. In the 3 years he's been here, it doesn't even look like he's bulked up much. I'd much rather prefer a star who can impact the game in multiple areas and still contribute to team basketball when the shot isn't falling and I don't see how he ever gets there. People with Hus type of athleticism should have much higher steal/block numbers
There's always a few unhinged people that can't seemingly be convinced. I mean KPj still had supporters even after he beat the **** out of his girlfriend and CWood still had supporters after he was traded saying that he wasn't put in the right position and whatever. So it's not abnormal but it is funny almost every time. I think there are other players that deserve the concern energy more than Jalen does at this point. I thought BTG was over the top with his assessment of crazy Jalen stans and that he was seeing ghosts but damn did some of these guys prove that right. Even those of us that have a more pragmatic view of the whole situation get accused of being irrational haters by some of these people. Saying you wouldn't trade Jalen and picks for prime Booker is ****ing insane lol.
Like I said you'd be asking to trade Booker after the first three seasons if you were a Suns fan. If Jalen improved on his second year scoring and nothing else and the team won 21 games you'd want Green traded. That is my point. My point is you are finding it laughable that someone right now wouldn't trade Green for Booker+picks but after Booker's third year and if you are a Suns fan you'd be asking to trade him which is ironic to me.
When you think that poster is reasonable then you lost the plot my dude. Step away from the keyboard because even some people who don't like Jalen would say you are doing crazy talk now.
Once upon a time they did a better job of hiding their power level and pretending they were Rockets fans first... but as the end of the line for their guy approaches, they are getting more and more unhinged by the day.
I didn't watch Booker play much but I see what you mean looking at their stats. Let's pray Jalen has the same 4th year leap Booker had. However, it looks like Booker made a much bigger improvement from year 2-3.
Booker was above league average TS by his 3rd season including over 38% from 3. It’s a ludicrous comparison
Jalen actually had a higher TS% in his first two seasons than Booker. It's why I said that Booker had a bigger improvement from year 2-3. Their numbers are efficiency are very similiar for first three seasons.
And what what his averages look like if from his 2nd to 3rd season, a no nonsense coach like Ime replaced their coach and a new offensive system with a borderline all-star pg added to the team with a whole new offensive structure and finally being asked to give effort on D? Instead he got to play on a team with zero expectations to try on D that resulted in 21 wins. All he was asked to do was build on his scoring from the season before and not worry about winning games. Jalen averaged 22 ppg on 54% ts in his second year. You don't think if the Silas regime stayed and didn't add FVV and Jalen was allowed to play within his comfort zone without any expectations on defense he wouldn't improve on his second season scoring numbers? Ya those scoring numbers would look better but the team would probably win 20 something games and it would be worse for the long term career of Green not learning to play on a team that expects things from him other than "cooking".
Not true at all, booker was 1% below in year 1 and 4% below in year 2 before being 1% above in year 3. Jalen was 3% below year 1, 7% below in year 2 and year 3.
I think having a better coach and better teammates helped jalen, why would it hurt him? Jalen dropped from year 1 to year 2 under silas, so maybe he drops in year 3 as well.
