Holy sh*t…body cam footage of murder gets released

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024...-we-know-about-the-killing-the-victim-officer

This would explain things a bit.

 

I thought she said it once (in response to being treated like she was somehow a danger to the cops), was asked to repeat it, did so, and then when the cop explicitly threatened to shoot her in the face, she cowered and apologized and was shot anyway. All of this while she was apparently confused and not mentally all there.

Am I getting anything wrong there? Using the words “I rebuke you in the name of Jesus” is not much of a threat to me, but maybe there is power in those words I’m not getting as a non-Christian.

 

She said it once, the shooter said "huh?", and then she repeated it. If that plus a pot of boiling hot water doesn't at least give you some pause, good for you, but I'm not sure most would agree.

We don't even get a good video of her saying the line because the recording officer retreats to the bedroom in the moment and is so far away it's hard to even see her.

The trick is what happened between the time she apologized and the time the last shots were fired. We don't know because the camera is obscured.

The fact they asked her if she was mentally OK and her response was "yes, I took my medication" should have tipped them off that there might be some odd behavior to follow. The shooter did not cut her even the slightest bit of slack despite knowing this. That's ridiculous.

 

biden is the current president. Ask him what to do

 

The unhinged cop has distance(at least 8ft) and a barrier(kitchen counter). There is no way his life was in danger by a pot of boiling water( non lethal force), sure it can burn him and caused some injuries but no way his life was in danger. We can look for ways to rationalize his actions but this won’t fly with the jury. Guilty of first degree murder!

 

I think they could have possibly gotten him on 2nd degree murder (depends on the lawyers and the witnesses) but I think they will fail on 1st degree. Even if the recording officer's testimony is very damning of the shooter, 1st degree requires premeditation and that is a high bar to clear.

I don't think you're going to get a lot of traction claiming that someone shouldn't feel threatened by a pot of boiling water. The threat does not have to be lethal to justify such actions, IIRC. IMO you can argue successfully that the officer had a chance to nullify or reduce the threat non-lethally, though.

 

One more thing. Did the police officer really have to use his firearm in this situation? Given the situation, wouldn't tasers have sufficed?

 

I'm no lawyer but first degree murder is premeditated.

 

Hard to tell but from the video it doesn't look like they have tasers.

 

I’m no lawyer too but you can’t return non lethal force with lethal force. The jury hopefully will get a clear explanation of what is a non lethal versus a lethal force during the sentencing hearing. Since this is so senseless and 100% preventable, he will be found guilty of 1st degree murder.

 

You are going to be very surprised and disappointed to find out otherwise.

That is not what constitutes 1st degree murder.

 

Just found this article that mentions that the officers did have tasers. So f***ed up.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/23/...ex.html?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc

Drawing a firearm
What happened: After threatening Massey, Grayson immediately draws his firearm and points it at her. She ducks and says, “I’m sorry,” the video shows.

What the experts say: “The gun is the ultimate escalation,” Miller said. “It cuts you off from other tools and is hard to turn back from, sometimes resulting in these fatalities.”

In a court document filed by the state last week, prosecutors noted Grayson could have drawn a Taser located on his duty vest.

“He … has shown a willingness to use lethal force, despite the availability of non-deadly alternatives, when there is little to no threat to his bodily safety,” prosecutors wrote.

 

Ah, I was looking at the belt. Never seen one attached to the vest before. Even stupider on his behalf.

 

Whom the president is has nothing to do with this he didn't pull the trigger that no good former officer did.

 

We will see. Stay tuned

 

Them asking for her ID is the ultimate pig tactic.

Either his partner was legit dumb or he kept the camera on despite knowing what a POS he was so he wouldn't take equal blame...

 

This is an easy case of homicide.... especially in a post George Floyd world.

For all the complaints about the protests and in some cases, riots - the reality is that, at least so far, courts and juries are coming down harder on officers that decide to play Duck Hunt with members of the public.

 

The way this works in Illinois is that the body cameras are shut off - the officers involved in the shooting are taken away to another police car where they speak to a union representative that is also an officer. The other union representative officer and the shooter then watch the dash cam and discuss it. Then, at that point another detective is brought in that interviews everyone and tries to get a statement from the officer that fired the weapon.

If I had to guess - the officer is going to claim that he though the woman said "I'll shoot you in the name of Jesus" and not "I rebuke you in the name of Jesus". He will then argue that he did not know where her hands were behind the pot, and that he feared she would throw burning water in her face.

The problem he is going to have is the distance between him and her was pretty far - they can say she seemed mentally ill but he and his partner let her walk to the stove without any restraints, and last, he actually moved AWAY from cover to have a direct line or fire. He also did not come across as concerned in the video post shooting, at least his partner was upset.

This guy is going to jail - and for a long time, and he will need segregation protection for many years because he was an officer that shot a woman.

The civil suit is going to be MASSIVE if they get the right representation - they should have never hired him, and his shooting was largely unprovoked.

 

She is obviously nervous of the police - and as it turned out, for good reason.

He is standing in the living area looking right at her.... he lets her go to the stove and turn it off...... there is a barrier between him and her, and she is pretty far away from him.

He did not need to pull his weapon on her at any point during that situation - she went to the ground before he shot her.

I don't care if she threw that water at him, across the kitchen island - it would have been hard for her to do much damage to her - he told her he was going to shoot her in the face and he did.

This was not a situation with multiple possible assailants or a large man - or even the suspicion of a gun.

This guy killed her in cold blood - and I am not an absolutist, but it has gotten really damn hard to tell black people, women and poor people that they shouldn't be afraid of the police because it can go south quick. That idiot was not stable and had no right to be an officer.

 

George Floyd shouldn't have anything to do with it. And if that's what a conviction is resting on, that's not good for anyone.

Do you think 1st degree was the right charge to bring or an overreach?