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[Official] Kamala Harris for President 2024

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sajan, Jul 21, 2024.

  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    It's amazing how the attack machine has switched so quickly to attacking Harris before they know anything about her.
     
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  2. Amiga

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    this should scare the crap out of the Trump campaign... new unique donors and first time givers
     
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  3. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    If that constitutional stuff scares you, I know this guy Trump that will really flip your noodle.
     
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    Yes but when you actually go line by line many of these “criticisms” are only criticisms for hard right conservatives. Like for instance being friends with Al Sharpton. If you are someone that actually cares about that, you are someone that Kamala should give two fcks about trying to court. You are by definition a very likely old Fox News watcher.

    I could go line by line but I really don’t need to because I’m sure you get the point.

    The strategy here too from a propaganda and misinformation standpoint is for someone who is a political activist like Os Trig to cram as many things in a list like that as he can assuming that nobody has the time or effort to fact check or provide a counter to each and every one. People just see a long list and say… well that looks like ALOT of sh$t…
     
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    I dunno but I myself listen to what Donald Trump has told me for years about the “Failing New York Times” and “Fake News” and just assume that everything they say is the opposite. Based on what Trump says there’s good reason to believe Kamala actually is the best candidate.
     
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    @KingCheetah

    https://althouse.blogspot.com/2024/07/but-if-it-turns-out-that-her-short.html

    Althouse:

    "But if it turns out that her short general election campaign doesn't go well, and if she doesn't beat Trump, how much of the blame will belong directly to Joe Biden..."
    by noreply@blogger.com (Ann Althouse)

    "... for putting the party and Harris in this situation by discouraging anyone else from running against him by snuffing out any whiff of competition. I mean, he changed the primary calendar to favor him and him alone. He ditched Iowa and started the primaries in South Carolina, a state he knew he would win. I mean, how much of this is gonna be on him if Harris loses?"

    Asks Michael Barbaro, in today's episode of the NYT "Daily" podcast, "The Coronation of Kamala Harris."

    NYT reporter Reid J. Epstein answers:

    Well, you should be clear that Biden made a choice to seek reelection, but it was the rest of the party, with the exception of a little known congressman from Minnesota who made the collective decision not to challenge Joe Biden for reelection. You know, I remember having conversations with people before Biden formally entered the race, that there would've been tens of millions of dollars available for a candidate in the mold of Bernie Sanders to run from Biden's left. There was talk of billionaire candidates like JB Pritzker getting in the race and self-funding. But I don't think it's necessarily fair to blame Biden for the lack of competition.

    It's the rest of the party that covered their eyes and told everyone that Biden would be fine, that bear more of the responsibility on this front. And that makes me wonder, as a concluding question here, do you think that the Democratic party needs to just have a bigger conversation about competition and about more people entering into these races? I mean, there's no absence of competition on the Republican side, despite the huge way in which Donald Trump looms over that party. You had multiple governors running against him this year, despite his obvious strengths and nothing on the Democratic side.

    And so is that a conversation you expect the Democrats to start having? Really, no matter how this turns out... this is less a story about competition as it is a story about the elites of the party not listening to their own voters. There was ample evidence over years that large percentages of Democrats did not want Joe Biden to run for a second term. Hmm. But when he did, they all stepped aside and gave him a glide path to the nomination anyway. And the result that they got was a deeply flawed nominee who couldn't make it to the finish line. And now it's so late in the game that there's no time to have a real competition to replace him.
    Reid and Barbaro never use the word "coronation," but the episode is titled "The Coronation of Kamala Harris." There are so many articles out there right now speaking of what just happened for Kamala as a "coronation."

    AND: Earlier in the podcast:

    BARBARO: Why do you think that so many Democrats are lining up so quickly behind Kamala Harris within the past hour or so that now includes former House speaker Nancy Pelosi, and why is there no real challenge to her given all that information?

    EPSTEIN: Well, there's no challenge to her because Joe Biden made it practically impossible to challenge her. There was a brief window of about 20 minutes after Biden withdrew from the presidential campaign and before he endorsed Harris for someone else to run against her. BARBARO: 20 minutes!

    EPSTEIN: I don't remember exactly how long it was, but it was after I saw that he had dropped out and before I got home from the pool that he had endorsed Harris. And when he did that, he didn't just transfer political support to her, he also transferred the $96 million that his campaign had in the bank, and he transferred the 1300 people who worked for the campaign for him to her. And so for anyone to run a truncated campaign that was gonna take place in just a couple of weeks targeting the 4,600 delegates to the Democratic Convention, $96 million to zero is a tough place to start.
    Posted by Ann Althouse at 6:41 AM
     
  8. El_Conquistador

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    When Kamala gets her close-up, it's over. She was the most liberal member of the Senate. She has several issues where her stance is disqualifying in swing states -- particularly the midwest. I think this is just the Dems way of moving her off to the side to clear the path for 2028. She's a jobber in the wrestling world.
     
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    I can also see how going after Harris' record as a DA is far more boring than speculating on X about secret deals and AI Joe Biden.

    Unfortunately this is why we're in the situation we're in that many can't tell the difference between politics and entertainment.
     
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    I read through the list quickly and there is a lot of that that can be countered. The difference though is that it is about Harris specifically and a lot of it is about is her record. Harris' past and record is certainly valid in a discussion of whether she should be president and I think is far more effective if they want to beat her.

    But then again I'm just one of those weirdos who think things like looking at record and policies is more important than conspiracies, memes and grievance.
     
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    In a normal election (with typical politicians), it’s what would carry the day. In this election, I doubt its impact.

    The character attacks are necessary when your own candidate is so deeply flawed.
     
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    the percentage of Dems resentful that Biden was forced out or stepped down is about the same percentage of Rockets fans who were upset and resentful that Silas was fired

    people are wasting their time trying to go with that line of attack because nobody cares
     
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    The same exact people who claim Biden was fit to lead another 4 years are the same people who actually believe Harris can win (without a successful assassination on the leading candidate of the opposite party).

    Everyone else knows Harris isn't going to win at the current projection. Democrats only want that 200m kitty. Harris is disposable just like ol Joe was disposable. If Democrats weren't so stupid and short sighted, they would reboot and compete in the moderate category. Instead, they want to double down on the Elite leftist agenda. 200m is really not that much money.
    I honestly can not understand the game theory of the controlling Democrat apparatus. I also said the same thing of the Republicans in the late 00's. Much like the Republicans, I think this controlling elite are counting on the brain washed stupid liberals to continue to vote for them, knowing they have little capacity to think for themselves.
     
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    be curious to see her swing voter groups on Kamala Harris
     
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    I know that the main reason Trump chose Vance is because he’ll do whatever he tells him to do, but what new voters is he bringing in? He seems to be the new Sarah Palin
     
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    The GOP is in FULL MELT DOWN.

    1. Going to sue to try to keep Biden on the ballot - LOL - no chance
    2. Saying this might be the last election ever - FEAR
    3. Whining about spending money - Crying
    4. Backing out of debates - Cowardice

    They are afraid of a prosecutor and an organized and energized democratic party....WHOOPS THERE IT IS - b****ES !!!

    As for Harris record - she upheld the laws of the state of California - and did a great job - if the laws were bad, that is on their state reps...not her.......she also just spent the last 3 years helping get people on mar1juana charges out of jail.....

    And PSSSSST....the majority of this country and especially the young people are LIBERALS !!!!

    DD
     
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    I don't think Vance is in the Sarah Palin category. He's not even in the Dan Quayle category
     
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    Wow. Surprised you think he is even a worse choice than Dan Quayle. Who do you think would have been trump's better choice for VP?
     

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