@ROXRAN F 35s ain’t no joke blowing up their oil fields is good strategy Now they can be a place Greta would visit
If Israel is getting more attacks from Hezbollah and now attacking the Houthis how is the current leadership of Israel making it safer for Israel? it looks like they are expanding the war and committing more Israeli troops to combat.
Their campaign and the way they've executed it has failed to make Israel safer in the long term and perhaps even the short term. Israeli leadership has failed its people which is sad for the Israelis and for everyone.
of course they are Woke people hate Jews The Houthis have been attacking everybody in the shipping channels The Biden Admin didn't really do any relevant attacks on the Houthis Destroying their port and some oil refineries hurts their abilities to get weapons from Iran and also use fuel for the weapons If the Houthis try again I would take out all their infrastructure that they would have to fly kites to Israel
Yes because if Israel is having to fight many more wars then obvious their long term Strategy isn’t making them safer.
If I’m coming at you and all other venues of options are off the table due to ideology -I hate you what are you going to do ? You fight to defend yourself. Iran and it’s proxies has a ideological opposition to Israel -The only way for Israel to exist is to continue to be willing to fight and that is a long-term strategy to exist - If Israel was to put down its arms it would be wiped off the face of the map
Exactly If someone rolled up in your hood and started blasting You would get in a car with your boys and settle the score
They haven't won total victory yet. It isn't over (obviously). The way they create more and future enemies is by stopping before total victory is achieved. Don't be the US vs. North Korea. Be the US vs. Germany or Japan. In the most extreme case, be Rome vs. Carthage. To have lasting peace, you must make it so that your enemies never want or have the capability to fight you again. The other side of the coin is all the prior engagements between Israel and Hamas, the US vs. Russia/USSR for decades, Britan vs. France for hundreds of years, etc. Just letting things peter out is not a successful strategy. About the best you can say for it is the US now trades with Vietnam.
Not comprable situations. I believe Hamas needs to go. I've never suggested letting anything peter out. They are terrorists. The way Israel is carrying out this campaign is immoral, not helpful in providing security for Israeli citizens, and is stupid policy. Netanyahu doesn't care about any of that or even really getting rid of Hamas.
Of course they are comparable situations. Like the US and Rome, Israel is facing an intractable enemy that is bent on domination and the murder of their opponents, people that care nothing about the law of war or proportionality, or any other high minded ideal that the civilized world would choose to operate under. People that would murder women and children for no other purpose than to try to frighten the political leaders representing those women and children into political concessions. Any suggestion that Israel not be allowed unrestricted attacks against Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, or any other terrorist organization that attacks the civilian population of Israel is essentially proof of the contrary. Your suggestion that they should stop what they are doing because they are making more enemies is a suggestion to let the war peter out. Obviously. This is where you are suggesting they let things peter out. The only immoral thing about the way they have been carrying out this campaign is that they are being too deferential to the ideal of minimizing civilian casualties and damage to infrastructure. They never should have left the Al-Shifa hospital standing to be reoccupied by Hamas, for example. They never should have paused before undertaking actions in the south. They never should have let in aid trucks to resupply Hamas. They should be launching unrelenting attacks against their enemies until those enemies no longer exist.
I'm for a more secure Israel. I'm in favor of that now and going forward to the future. Israel's current tactics are a direct threat to the security of Israeli citizens and makes their nation less secure in the long term. Since I want a more secure Israel, I will condemn their actions and tactics which threaten that.
Many of y'all have been saying for months now that Israel needed to go very hard like Rome in Carthage because that would make them safe. If they are having to fight more wars now and getting attacks from other areas then obviously that isn't making them safer. If the next response is well Hezbollah and the Houthis are attacking so they have to fight back well why weren't those forces so cowed by how Israel is pounding Gaza that they wouldn't risk attacking? If Israel now is getting attacked any further and has to keep on responding wouldn't that mean Israel is basically at a state of indefinite warfare having to deal with attacks on it and then risk their troops in attacking back? To put it simply how is constant warfare actually making things safer? Also since some of you love bringing up Rome this seems a very selective reading of Roman history. Rome fought a lot of wars but contrary to their own rhetoric it wasn't the eternal empire. Rome fell because they had too many enemies and was so weakened having to respond to so many threats. Also Roman policy wasn't just war but frequently made peace through trade or buying off opponents. In situations like Northern Britain and Northern Germania where they realized they would likely be continuing to fight insurgents indefinitely they cut their losses and pulled back.
Was just remembering another part of how Rome built up longterm stability. They not only conquered other people but coopted them. Imperial Rome was a multi-ethnic multiracial entity. The Roman citizenship wasn't just reserved for people from the Italian peninsula but also for those from conquered areas. Also Rome built infrastructure and economic development for areas conquered. One reason why some of the best Roman ruins including aqueducts and ports are not in Italy but in places like Turkey and North Africa. This is very different than Israel which is a Jewish State and has economically strangled the Gaza and the West Bank.
