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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. fchowd0311

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    Think about what you just said.

    Paolo is a big. He can do more as a big...

    Part of being a big....

    Is being more efficient. Look at league average ts% for each position. The smaller the position the lower the mean ts%.

    So Paolo having a worse scoring efficiency than a young guard is either a bad look for Paolo or a good look for Jalen.

    So he's not taking advantage of his size as it's not providing more efficient scoring than a young guard you think sucks


    You can't have your cake and eat it.


    Devin Booker dropped his scoring efficiency between year one and two and had the luxury of being allowed to "cook" with no expectations to do stuff like playing D with the same regime and play style from year two to three on a 22 win team that Jalen didn't have.

    What Jalen went through in year three is good for him long term as he learned to condition himself to give energy on both ends but in the short term it hampered his scoring efficiency.
     
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  2. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Is the cap going to go up a lot because of this media deal?

    To be honest, I believe in all 4 players who got the max. All of these guys will be worth a minimum of $25-30m in the next few years so it's a pretty safe investment. Franz I have a little bit of doubt about because his 3PT shot mysteriously disappeared, but he'll most likely bounce back fine.

    Developing home grown talent is just taking more precedence than ever and that's a good thing imo.
     
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    Will go up 10% a year, the standard nba contract has 8% raises so the cap will increase more than the salary
     
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  4. MadMax

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    That part of the article about Jalen sounded familiar. It’s all about consistency, and hopefully he figures that out.
     
  5. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Ok so now it makes even more sense. These will look like "Mini-Maxes" in a few years.
     
  6. fchowd0311

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    https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4865/onoff#tab-team_efficiency

    Look at Jalen's on/off impact on team scoring efficiency in his third year.

    His 72 percentile impact on team offensive efficiency is the second highest on the team only behind FVV.

    So how does a low efficiency high usage guard have the second best impact on team offensive efficiency?

    The higher your usage the more likely on/off team offensive efficiency impact numbers for said player isn't a fluke because that high usage means whatever the data says about on/off impact on offense is mostly a result of that player rather than a fluke. A low usage offensive player might just be lucky. But when you lead the team in usage rate that on/off impact has a lot to say.

    So how does that work? How does such a individual low efficiency guard have the second highest positive impact on team offensive efficiency only behind FVV?

    When players can create effortless separation, a player doesn't need to be a passing savant to dump it to the teammate the help defender is playing off of after you beat your initial defender. These are easy reads.


    And the easy reads to let's say a short roller from Jalen being blitzed can lead to things like secondary and tertiary assists.

    When Jalen breaks down the defense, it creates a chain reaction and it doesn't often lead to direct assist numbers but it does eventually lead to a easy look.
     
  7. MadMax

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    Like my sons? I kid. :)
     
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    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Hahaha

    I didn't know you have kids, congrats and blessings! Damn we've been on this board a long time huh.
     
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  9. MadMax

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    My oldest is 24 and he played for Rashard Lewis’ first Adidas team here in town…he coaches tournament ball through the same nonprofit that lets me hang around and coach with them. And he coaches for a living now after a stint as an accountant with a big firm. Basketball is too much a part of him! He’s been texting me today from a basketball coaches clinic in San Antonio he’s been at.

    My younger son is a history nerd like his dad…and is working on a history degree at UH…considering law school. Wants to do criminal defense. Both he and his older brother are among the best people I’ve ever had the pleasure of knowing. Thanks for the blessing, but I’ve already been blessed!

    I started on this board because I was checking news at law school about a potential Shandon Andersen acquisition for the Rockets in (I think) 1998. Met a lot of friends from here over the years. You’re one of them!

    Anyway…something about Jalen Green!!! :) I love “sneaky” guards and Jalen has that in him for sure…finishing when you shouldn’t because everyone down low is taller. Really need the Rockets to win a ring for older son…he’s in love…but younger son wouldn’t hate it!
     
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  10. Corrosion

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    IF these guys are the best player on their respective teams, they'll never get close to a championship.

    I mean just because you are bad and "have no one else to pay" doesn't justify fuxing up your cap space for the next 4-5 years. You could just rent that space out to teams looking to duck the new cap apron issues and get actual assets in return ....

    Yeah, maybe Cade eventually becomes a star .... but he isn't close yet and that damn sure doesn't justify $45m per on your cap. They get paid for potential on rookie scale contracts .... or incentive laden extensions, not $245m guaranteed.
    If he disappoints or even stays flat, it's hard for them to even dump the contract without making other moves to acquire assets to attach to the contract - They damn sure don't want to attach their own early lotto picks to move off of it.

    Detroit was in a bad place before that extension, now they are in a worse place.

    Mobley is a solid player but damn, he's nowhere close to a max player. How do you put enough talent around that guy to win in the playoffs without bottoming out and getting a top pick on a rookie deal? He's not Tim Duncan, he's more Horace Grant.

    Barnes is a good player too - he was who I wanted the Rockets to draft instead of Jalen. He's just not a $45m per player. He's not Kawhi .... maybe 70% of prime Kawhi.
     
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    $140,588,000 this year - $155,100,000 next. That's with cap smoothing, never gonna have more than ~10% jumps in the cap in any one year to prevent another GSW Durant incident.

    EDIT

    Most certainly bargain contracts for the best of them.
     
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    I don't disagree with what you say. But think from the perspective of teams like Detroit and Toronto. Guys like Cunningham and Barnes will likely get maxed in the open market in this age of heightened cap. So even if you don't max them now, you'll likely have to match that in RFA. So if you aren't willing to pay them, then you either trade them now or let them go for nothing.

    The reason why I said "who else are they going to pay?" is that unlike the Rockets, they don't have a bunch of promising young talents. These guys are their only hope for now.

    The difference between Jalen and them is that Jalen's future is still very uncertain while Barnes and Cade have shown enough upward trajectory to project that they can be the second wheel of a contender. I think with the new 2nd apron rule, you can pretty much only afford two max players, maybe three if you are really close to winning it all. So when you max a guy, you'd better make sure he's at least on the level of a second best player on a contending team.
     
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    Using the word "max" really skews the perception of these deals. Because in reality it is still a specific amount, and in the case of players coming off rookie contracts, that's 25% of the cap. The Celtics had 4 players making money in this range (Tatum, Brown, Porzingus, Holiday). Nuggets the previous year had Jokic, MPJ, and Murray. I think it's easily argued that 5 of those 7 players aren't "best player on championship team" quality.

    So all these teams as well as the Rockets still need to find that Tatum/Jokic level player. But that doesn't mean they can't pay the 2nd and 3rd guys while they're waiting to see who becomes that #1 guy. Sengun essentially fits into this category too and he's going to be paid max next year even if he doesn't really improve on his current self.
     
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    Lol Jonathan Isaac is injured half of the time and I guess nobody had him at overrated.....he was on the backburner the entire time.

    I am not high on Jalen but this list is a tad odd.

     
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    Rockets Are Reportedly More Willing to Trade Jalen Green Now than Before
    "At some point, Houston is going to make a move on the trade market. This organization is looking to significantly upgrade their roster and make a legitimate playoff push during the upcoming season. How Sheppard has played in Las Vegas, as well as how he begins the new season off the bench, will have a direct impact on Green's future with the organization.

    While many in Houston still believe in Green's abilities to be a featured long-term scoring option for them at the shooting guard position, the Rockets have shown more of a willingness to discuss his name in trade situations around the league, sources said. Houston has not attempted to move Green, other than for Bridges last season, his future is certainly more in question than that of Alperen Sengun, whom the organization views as a top-five center in the NBA right now."


    https://www.si.com/nba/rockets/news...-willing-to-trade-jalen-green-now-than-before
     
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  18. Sooner423

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    This makes sense. They're going to have to make some hard decisions on which of these guys to invest in. Jalen has had ample time to prove it. We'll see how much more he gets.
     
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  19. DaDakota

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    Traded by the deadline - that is what is going to happen to Green, IMHO.

    And, only because we don't want to pay him the max locking up the money we might need for others.....he will be a contract casualty....and yes we will give Alpi the max.

    DD
     
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    Sheppard looks like the Van Vleet/Korver version of Green and makes Green a little more expendable than he already was.
     
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