Green has really quick feet on defense. If you look at synergy stats he has a high volume of pnr ball handler defensive assignments and was in a pretty high percentile in effectiveness at defending that play type. I think Jalen might be the best guy on the squad to put on small fast super twitchy pnr heavy guards like Maxey and Ja.
People just do not understand the difficulty of what it takes to score in the NBA, let alone being double teamed and still being able to do it. Sure Reed Sheppard is a rookie but when he faced GAME PLANS in SL, we saw firsthand the difficulty he had. His efficiency changed. Not comparing Reed to Jalen, only as an example when teams game plan for a player. Its not easy to score in the NBA.
Ya those are 2 good comps. High picks who really sucked their first 3 years and got terrible contracts. It’s really hard to say what he gets as an RFA though because the 4th year will decide that. Obviously sga has nothing to do with jalen but wiggins and barret are very good comps
Like I said not really as Jalen definitely exceeded those two in their first 3 years. I like how you just restated your premise without addressing the actual content of my reply. I already know that's what you think. I think you are wrong. I showed you why and you just repeated the same point without any elaboration
I mean the metrics between the 3 of them are pretty close which is why it’s a great example. What did you want me to elaborate on? They were all very promising very athletic guys who were bad players and got paid terrible contracts based on potential (I don’t think barrett ever had potential but whatever)
But they aren't? Sure is Jalen closer to what Barret did in his first few years than someone like Ja or Luka in their first few years. Sure. But there is a big gap there obviously Green was more efficient than either, on more self creation and better assist to turnover ratios along with better advanced analytics like VORP.
He’s definitely better than barrett who I would classify as a fringe rotation player (10th 11th man type) so far. Wiggins was more efficient though and the metrics are pretty close i think the question is: are there examples of guys who were as bad as green for their first 3 years who developed into legit all stars. Obviously there are similar comps for guys who got albatross contracts but are there any success stories
I don't think Jalen's getting a long term deal. He clearly thinks he's a star in the making so he will try to bet on himself vs. a long term contract with low per-year numbers. And any team that signs him is going to want to make sure he's worth it before giving him a big contract. I wouldn't be surprised if it's more like a 1-2yr deal with tanking team taking him as a lottery ticket.
Wiggins wasn't more efficient. If you adjust for year, they are about the same adjusted ts% and if you compare just their raw ts% Green has a 54% ts and Wiggins a 53% ts for their first three years. So Green not adjusted was a bit more efficient. The real kicker is Wiggins did that scoring with roughly the same efficiency as Green but with less creation as his self creation rate was in the 40s while Green's rate approached 60%. So more difficult shot attempts. More attempts against point of attack defense. Green was a far superior ball handler as you can see just from the higher self creation rate and the fact that he didn't have more turnovers than assists like Wiggins in his first three years. Wiggins played more like a wing and Green played more closer to a lead guard type role with heavy primary pnr ball handler usage.
I mean it depends on if he's consistent this year. There is no conclusion that can be drawn because he has to play his fourth year.
I mean the question was clearly asked as a hypothetical that he's not improving. If he has an entire season like last year's March, then he's getting a max contract from the Rockets. That part is obvious.
I only look at TS+ so Wiggins was higher. Again though, he sucks. I would want a comp that doesn’t suck to have more hope lol
When did the hypothetical become "if he isn't improving". Jalen has shown the ability to improve on everything else besides a consistent jump shot. That can happen in his fourth year. Look at his catch and shoot efficiency on threes in his second vs third year. It wasn't great but it was like a 4% dip from his second to third year. To me this is a sign of a dude who just got asked by his coaching staff to put the same effort on defense as he does on offense for the first time in his basketball career. So my hunch obviously could be wrong but I think that dip was a purely conditioning issue. He played 82 games also. And given how he has improved on things like defense it shows he is capable of improving. So hopefully next season the improvement would be the conditioning to have a consistent shot while giving effort on d as a high usage starter.
Wiggins doesn't suck. He was disappointing for a first overall pick. And Green was more talented in their first three years as he did more off the bounce against points of attack defense and still had roughly the same efficiency. If Wiggins was asked to do what Green did his first three years his efficiency would probably plummet. Wiggins had pretty poor handles for a hyped up wing number one draft pick prospect. Usually a wing sized player hyped up to be number one overall would have better on ball creativity and handles.
You need to go ahead and hit the Alperen thread with this one. By far our most schemed-for, most double-teamed player. Let's keep this energy! 22.1 PPG with a .585 TS% 5 APG and a 2/1 A2T ratio... 9.3 Boards 21 years old! Balling boi!
