Much of this is true only because both parties have tried hard to suppress any organic movement to promote any politician who is outside of the establishment. Obama and Trump are two who have managed to break through this barrier. Yang was smacked down into oblivion.
Actually that was my point. I believe the attacks on Biden mental capacity are baked in. Every election is a gamble. Republicans are gambling with Trump. However, I don't disagree with the opinions of others here. It is just my perception that leaving Biden is the least risky path. I can certainly understand the risks with Biden on ticket.
Donny, you're better than this. There were not hordes of people trying to murder a bunch of people. For argument sake, 20,000 people showed up to the capital. An estimated 1000 people trespassed. That is 5% of the people, most who have been prosecuted. 1,000 unarmed people is not an insurrection. So maybe you have 100 people who would have committed some form of violence and a couple of people with deadly weapons. There is no evidence of any attempt to murder. Again, I am sure there were a few extremely radical people, but you can find these type of people in the same numbers at any large political protest. And Trump didn't lead anyone. Yes, he used dangerous inappropriate rhetoric which up until a week ago, was being used by way too many politicians and pundits. Trump absolutely failed in denouncing this activity. But again, if you're going to hold him accountable, you must hold everyone else accountable who continued to propagate dangerous speech to encourage degenerate behavior. The ultimate responsibility should be placed on whoever was responsible for security. Willful incompetence seems to be a growing theme. There is zero reason for J6 event just as there was zero reason for Butler, PA. Specifically transgenderism. This was an extremely stupid hill to die on. On a national level, Republicans are moving on from the abortion discussion.
We can quickly go down a rabbit hole with this conversation. However, two points: -The global antagonist have little fear of the Biden administration -The Biden administration has allowed a massive rift to form in the DNC, one that looks similar to the RNC 15 years ago. You must look past the party name and feel the pulse of both the parties and the American people. This is NOT the democrat party of the 1960's. They have become the despicable Republican party of the 1960's. Additionally, you must view todays climate in a low probability state, or low entropy. In these political states/environments, the probability of randomness increases dramatically. If someone is married to fringe ideas (in other words, how many people does [this topic] effect directly) or policies of the past, they are going to get ran over by reality. Ideas and actions are fluid. Those in unity (again, disregard the sheeple mentality of the diehards) will prosper. Straight ticket voters are going to be in a lot of pain. For the first time in my life, I watched a political convention. Not because I was enthralled or all in, but because I wanted to experience the tone in the moment instead of being fed short clips from pundits pointing out every little flaw. I saw just as much blue in that crowd (literally speaking) as red. It was a beautiful moment to watch the evangelical crowd get pushed to the back, slowly being pushed back to their inevitable fate of obscurity. The GOP is succumbing to a slow inevitable death. And if the DNC doesn't push their hate filled politicians and pundits out of the party, the moderate Democrats will join this new movement.
if Biden steps down I nominate this woman 104-year-old has been catching lobsters for more than 90 years: ‘I’m not going to retire’ https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/17/104-year-old-has-been-catching-lobsters-for-more-than-90-years.html
If this is true, I am not sure how anyone can defend the Democrat leadership of being complete hypocrites. Anyone supporting them are just as guilty of everything they accuse Trump of being. Suppressing the will of the people and attempting a political coup.
You can take this gaslighting nonsense and go pound sand with it. This is as stupid as those idiots downplaying the attempted assassination of Trump because of the outcome. There was a real, credible threat to the lives of several people in the Capitol building. Had that mob had their way, who knows where we would be right now in terms of the election, Congress, or the government at large. Whether or not these yahoos had a plan or next steps is immaterial. The mere threat of something like this is enough to seriously change all of our lives for the worse, and I'm legit ****ing tired of people acting like this was just some kegger that got out of hand because it is politically inconvenient for them when somebody on team Trump wets the bed. I'm gonna need some specifics/links. Lmao. Yeah, of course. It's a giant dookie stain on the party, soooooooo HEY LOOK OVER THERE!
That could well be the case, and that Biden is still the best path forward. I don’t know. What I do know is that the question should be asked and seriously considered (don’t be blind and deaf), and 2 - the right is absolutely wanting Biden to stay in to the point of making silly arguments that asking that question is somehow anti-democratic. Cult members really need to stay on the sidelines, but they are desperate to run against Biden only, so.
Screw George Clooney, billionaire r****d kingmaker donors. screw celebrities and chuck Schumer this is all BS they have all known what horse they were riding for years and now all of a sudden they are trying to force him out. america won't accept that and they will pay for it in the polls.
It’s hilarious how they’ve been attacking Biden for years as someone who couldn’t walk or barely feed himself and now are insisting he stay in the race and that Democrats are “changing the rules” to get him out.
If they truly believe he is incompetent, then they need to invoke the 25th. If they don’t, then it’s his choice to stay or leave. He won the primary. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it now. I will vote for Biden in 24 if he sticks it out. I’d vote for Kamala, Whitmer, and Newsom. I believe if Biden does drop out, it should be Kamala. She is the Vice President. I don’t think Kamala is the strongest candidate but none of the candidates on either side a strong. Trump is a charismatic autocrat wannabe who courted religious nut jobs who want to ban abortion and contraception. Kamala has been painted as an airhead and will freak out the electorate for being a woman who is half black and half Indian. Biden won in 2020 because he was immune to those prejudices.
I e said this before but we’re not a 25th amendment situation and it would be an abuse of that to use it for primarily political reasons. Biden isn’t incapacitated. The questions are whether he can consistently do the job and if he can win the election. Yes he can’t be forced out under the DNC rules. If the Democrats replace him he has to voluntarily step aside.
I don’t think he is incompetent, he is just slower and will continue to slow until he is incompetent. Whether that’s 2025 or 2028, I can’t predict. But it’s inevitable.
The 25th Amendment and the DNC rules are not dependent on each other. They each have their own rules and procedures. Invoking the 25th doesn’t, technically, remove him from being the nominee. That is still his choice afterward. There is also a difference between campaigning and running the government. Biden can govern fine and well given his record. That doesn’t mean his campaign is going fine and well. Democrats asking him to leave is not because they don’t think he can govern; it’s because they believe he can’t win the election. There is some confusion among Democrats, with some believing that those asking Biden to leave are saying he can’t govern, when they are actually addressing an electability issue. There is also a bad faith argument I see from the right—if Democrats are pushing Biden out, why aren’t they pushing him to resign the presidency, thereby intertwining the two issues and potentially setting the stage for some Democrats to rebel if Biden leaves.
I don't fault them for politicking around this. It's pretty standard Republican politics and it's smart politics. There is, of course, no changing of the rules. Not yet, at least. And even if they do, that's part of their internal process. The process can get ugly if it comes to that, but parties do have rules and procedures that they work within to accomplish what they want (adopt new resolution, etcs). The RNC adopted new rules to ensure Trump is the nominee and he's successful - loyalty pledge, family members running the RNC, funds going to Trump and he controls where it goes; the RNC is completely under Trump's control at this time. So on the "changing rule" attacks, it's typical hyprocrisy.
My understanding is that what Democrats are asking Biden to do is to end his campaign and release his delegates. He would still finish his term. The precedent for this would be LBJ who ended his campaign but remained president.
I understand why they are doing it’s just ironic to see them saying that Biden is so incapable he is a threat to the safety of the country but then saying he can’t be removed except for waiting for the election and presumably certification and inauguration in January 2025. If there was a movement in the Republicans to get Trump to need his campaign I would be for it. Given there is a baked in anti Trump vote and replacing him might actually make it harder for any Democrat to win I still think Trump is enough of a problem would prefer another Republican to run. Personally if it was another Republican like Haley or Christie and Biden was still running I would probably vote for them.
