While I do think Biden has lost a lot and am not against him being replaced I think all of these calls that he can’t perform the job or hasn’t been running things for years are overblown. He’s recently introduced several ppolicy proposals that are in issues he talked about for years so they are unlikely to be put forward by staff or Harris. What is more telling is how many on the right were blaming him personally for paying forward more aid to Ukraine while withholding the largest bombs from Israel. So somehow Biden is both making major decisions on foreign and domestic policy while also not knowing what year it is or how to feed himself.
this describes my tattoo artist out in LA…not a fan of Joe Biden, but hates Trump after Jan 6th…he’s a huge RFK Jr fan now dude is dope as hell tho
There will be no perfect candidate. Everyone has their flaws and shortcomings that will be highlighted and caricatured by the opponent. Democrats panicking at the first sign of adversity is something I cannot get over. Biden may have flubbed the debate but he has done enough to recover. His meetings and rallies next few days were decent. I watched every televised event very carefully. He is their best shot to beat Trump. That with his legislative record is enough fuel for the team to run. Many of the other candidates being floated(other than Kamala Harris) don't even have a national profile. People who talk politics regularly know them but that is a minority number. I wonder if I am over estimating the logistical nightmare of changing a candidate at this point in the game, but this Media and donor driven mess makes no sense at all. However, they have more experience and have more at stake(?) than me. So I am clueless at this point. Trump is the most flawed candidate in a while to run for president but the party rallied around him. I can bet majority of them don't even like him but they know what is at stake for them Why can't democrats rally around their candidate? There is time to pick the course and stay the course. This is the time to stay the course. Strategy time is over, now is time for tactics. It is like the other team is in court with the ball, and the democrats are back to drawing board with their coach
The problem is that every gaffe Biden makes is magnified to the point that it’s automatically looked at as dementia. 30 years ago Biden was a gaffe machine but now it’s eroding his support badly among most Americans. It’s not really fair but perception has greatly shifted against Biden regarding his capability to both win the election and do his job.
Biden has said he will only step aside if he is shown data that they can't win, so if he steps aside, that's what it means.
It's funny how many ridin-with-Biden diehards are freaking out about the lack of faith people have in him now. It's like they totally forgot Biden was a compromise candidate that nobody in their heart-of-hearts wanted. Of course people are nervous and have their knives out. The 2022 midterms bought him some goodwill, but his leash was never anything other than short.
This depends on what data. Polls are bad but they still show Biden within striking distance. That is likely in his mind what is convincing him to stay. the other issue though is what the donors are doing and big money donors are drying up. It also looks like Biden may be dragging the whole Democratic brand down. That is where Pelosi and Schumer could greatly influence him.
Yeah, polls are not just sometimes wrong; they are a single moment of capture. However, it is a solid methodology that is better than gut feelings. It is the best tool they have, and it's up to Biden to accept, if indeed that's what's shown to him, as valid or not and then to step aside. His call. If Biden is convinced he's going to lose, he's going to step aside. The mess that follows (or not) is also a part of his call, and one that he can help settle. Whatever anyone says or wants, it's in Biden's hands both to leave and to influence the path forward. Until it happens, I'm not convince it will happen.
But that's when you fight back. That is what surrogates are for. You need to go out and explain the achievements. Push back on attacks. The race was not supposed to be easy. There is even a perception that Trump is a rapist among few. That doesn't stop his party. If there are 4 more months for election, I would understand. we barely have 2 months My wife doesn't follow news regularly nor discuss politics. I was trying the names of alternatives with her. The only person she knew more than a name was Kamala harris. I had to add additional details like Gov. of California, the kidnap plot etc to make them relevant. The plus side is that she works in healthcare and Roe is the only issue for her in this election. I look at her as a demographic of voters. I never thought Biden was a strong candidate but he seemed to have built a coalition that can give him Electoral College chances.
As I’ve said before under the rules no one can force Biden out. Barring actual incapacity he has to voluntarily step aside. One problem with running for and being president is that it does require an almost messianic belief in one self. I don’t think any person with a normal ego would be willing to put themselves through such scrutiny. Biden certainly has that type of ego. At the same Time the presidency is surrounded by people Who are there to protect him and do his bidding. What he thinks his chances are might not be what the evidence is.
1) Election day is three and half months away. 2) Biden didn't build a coalition as much as he just wasn't Trump and alienated the least amount of liberals and moderates alike. The reason Biden won (ever so narrowly, mind you) in 2020 was because of COVID, and the resultant historic turnout. That wind is not at his back this time. He's cooked.
The marginal majority of Americans are pretty moderate. In my day to day interactions, most people are civil, respectful and have a reasonable view of reality. Its when I engage online or in these fringe pockets do the nutters come out. People tend to have their pet issues that they are passionate about. That said, I believe people tend to understand the reality - And that is a politician will tell you anything to get your vote. This trend has progressively gotten more extreme in my lifetime. This isn't a left or right issue. When Bush and Obama left office, we had a pretty good idea how their legacy would remembered (objectively speaking). To an extent, Trump's first term too. However the Biden we elected the the Biden administration we got will not go down well in history. Its been my belief Biden has been largely absent during his presidency and there has not been a clear leader for the Democrat party. In retrospect, we can look back in 2008 and see the McCain/Palin pick was an absolute disaster and the beginning of the fall for the Republican party. The Tea Party movement started to separate from the GOP and we could see a deep rift within the party. The Democrat party seemed strong under Obama, but late in his second term, we could see the beginning of the same thing in the Democrat party. This was confirmed with anointing Hillary. We had two polarizing politicians who had no business in American politicians, however the party unity between the two was vastly different. Trump, a life long Democrat, rising from the ashes of the Republican party and Hillary, an absolute clown taking on the mantle of Obama. Trump 2016 was extremely polarizing. Democrats went all in with their idiotic (lead by the clown Hillary) rhetoric of Trump being a dictator and an end to Democracy. Trump did nothing to counter this and even encouraged it. None of the doomsday scenarios even remotely came close to happening. Trump and Hillary both disrespected the American voting process and Trump continued this narrative well into his presidency. Trump 2020 was a reminder exactly why we needed to get rid of Trump. Americans were sick of this garbage. We elected Biden to be the peace keeper and bring unity. Instead, his unhinged administration continued the divisive nature shoving fringe social issues to the front talking points and endlessly talking about Trump. All the momentum and energy the Democrat party built up into 2020 went straight to Trump. Now we are in 2024 and the full stupidity of the Democrat party has come full circle. The Republican party in DC is a shell of its former self. The Democrats incompetence can not be blamed on the Republican party. Biden was to always be a 1 term president but yet due to the ego's of many and discovering Biden is a complete narcissist like Trump, the democrat party is in complete disarray. There never was unity (it was always a lie) and they never gave a **** outside of their own self interests. Incompetence runs deep and wide. Much like what Trump did in 2020, the Democrats are now trying to do whatever it takes, even if its unethical, to try to win. It stinks like **** and people hate it. And just like Trump found opportunity in a disintegrated Republican party in 2016, he now finds the same opportunity in 2024 with the Democrats. He has completely dialed back the divisive rhetoric and expanded his message. I will vote for a Republican president, not because I think Trump is amazing and awesome, but because there is unity in the Republican party and the message appeals to me. 6 months ago, there was no way I would vote for either. If Joe Biden or Kamala Harris is the best Democrats can offer the citizens of the US, I want nothing to do with them.
Sure you can fight back but that if he can’t bring the fire and focus that is needed consistently to win fighting back isn’t going to do much. I and others have said this that if he brought the same energy to the debate that he is trying to fend off calls for him to step down we wouldn’t be having this debate. Biden at this point is like an aging an athlete. He’s not incapable of playing the positions what’s questionable is if he can carry the team. Of course replacing Biden isn’t simple nor a guarantee. I’ll say again why Biden hasn’t completely plummeted in the polls appears to be more anti Trump than pro Biden. So likely another Democrat gets much of that same Support but without the baggage of age. This is where a contested convention actually might help and one reason why I agreed with Phillips that a contested primary would’ve helped. It will give a lot of media attention on the Democrats running. given we haven’t had a contested convention in the lifetime of many this will be a media event with the winner getting a lot of attention.
The Biden administration hasn’t been some fringe ineffective presidency. He’s gotten more Substantial legislation passed then any president in my lifetime. Much of it with even Republican support. Even without the House he still got agreements on spending with a House leadership that is dead set against him. It seems like your basing a lot of your views on Biden from the very online rhetoric you are criticizing.
I get what you are saying. I understand it. But I also think you seemed to be believing your perspective as facts. It is not just Joe, Kamala, Hillary. Anyone on that platform may seem the same to you. I would never have believed some like Trump would be on top of republican ticket not once but thrice. Bu that is where we are
Except for that time a horde of people led by the President stormed the capitol and attempted to murder a bunch of people to overturn the results of the election. That little thing. Republicans and Democrats alike are political hypochondriacs, but on that one, they were spot on. We ****ed around and we found out. Elaborate please. You mean abortion? Because it's Republicans that put that back on the agenda, not Democrats.
You'd be right if Biden were capable of making his case for himself. The core issue is that Americans now think his surrogates were lying to them for years when they said he was physically capable of being president. When Biden opens his mouth now they hear an angry, rambling old man who cannot articulate why he wants another term.
The attacks on Biden's declining mental capacity aren't new—it has been a constant drumbeat for at least two years. They have pushed back. The dam held intact until it was blown open that one debate night, solely done by the one character who was protected by the dam wall by those who held it together. That's what happened. You can defend his strong government records and use reasoning to make the case that he can govern, but you now have a dam to build back up. That too takes time, but unfortunately, this one character has historical flaws that keep hammering down the rebuilt dam at random times. Maybe that dam doesn't matter anymore. People get used to it and are okay with it. That's possible. I don't know, and no one does know. This, to me, is the strongest reason that Biden should absolutely stay in—it no longer matters. The other reasons are valid (a mess, unknown name, etc.)—they just are somewhat moot if the dam does matter, in which case, I think you take the gamble, a strategic gamble.
