Biden prepping to endorse sweeping changes to Supreme Court

Great to know that since you think the voting was all legit, that you won't have a problem with other counties withholding their vote counts until Fulton, Maricopa, Pittsburgh, Philly etc... turn in their votes since everything is legit.

 

I don't know that at all. I am assuming you are referring to his call the Georgia Secretary of State, but since I have actually read the full transcript of said call, I know he didn't.

 

facts are pesky things

 

I don't know how you can say with a straight face that he didn't try to change the results when he literally asked to find votes.

 

made up ones yeah

 

Except there is no evidence of cheating.

Facts are a pesky thing @Os Trigonum

 

Because unlike you I didn't isolate one sentence of the call, I read the whole thing. Trump listed a number of what he viewed as irregularities (based on public reporting or internal reporting we don't know) and asked the person responsible for overseeing the election to look into it, because, in his view, he should be winning Georgia by 100,000 plus votes and was instead losing by 11,799. The one part that gets isolated is when he says, "All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state." If you read the transcript of the full call, Trump is just saying that is the minimum required to flip the state. The entirety of the call is Trump raising what he sees as major issues with the election, and then asking Raffensberger to look into them. He is making specific claims of election irregularities (forged signatures, ballots arriving to tabulation centers in suitcases, dead people voting, people voting from PO Boxes, people voting from vacant addresses, etc. and asking Raffensperger to investigate it. For his part Raffensperger goes through the issues Trump is raising and sort of shoots them down one by one. It is over an hour-long phone call and at no point in it does Trump say he wants Raffensperger to throw out valid ballots or add invalid ballots.

 

There was no evidence of irregularities - his own lawyers told him that. He knew that - it was obvious that he was using that as a pretext to pressure officials to move the election in his favor.

Why is he even talking to an election official? The very act that there was a call is improper. It's like a beauty contestant having a private meeting with a judge before they score the result. And he was very clear that he want that official to find him the votes to win. It's not just one quote.

 

It's very clear that he raised what he saw as election irregularities with the person in charge of overseeing the election. If a beauty contestant believed there was an irregularity at the pageant, I would certainly expect them to raise the issue with one of the judges.

 

There were no irregularities - both sides knew that. He was using that as a b.s. excuse to ask for more votes. Don't be obtuse man.

He incriminated himself when he asked for more votes.

Then there is this from the nytimes

I mean, that's election fraud clear as day. That's why it's also clear that you guys will allow him to do anything and always say, "nothing to see hear!!!"


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/14/us/trump-georgia-election-results.html

 

Bonehead Biden has kind of a ring to it

 

Your entire premise falls apart if you just read the transcript of the call (or hell, even listen to the audio, even better). Trump very clearly did believe there were irregularities and cited multiple very specific examples. That he was wrong doesn't make a plot to overthrow the election.

 

You guys are debating about overturning the election but missing the big picture regarding the SCOTUS. With the recent SCOTUS ruling, an unethical and lawless POTUS could openly ask his AG (or any cabinet member) to break the law—fabricate votes, manipulate voting machines, you name it—to overturn or ensure the result of an election, all while being immune. If Trump had this ruling before the 2020 election, he wouldn't have needed to be secretive about his attempt to overturn the results. He could have done it openly and been immune from prosecution, and pardoning those who carried out his orders.

This absolute immunity is wrong and needs to be reversed by a future Court or by an amendment.

 

And if you recall from the complete transcript Raffensperger and others continue to point out that Trump is wrong about his claims of election irregularities while Trump asks him to overlook and just “find him enough votes to
Win”.

Trump ain’t just innocently asking him to get the vote count right but asking him based on specious reasons to find just enough votes to win.

Also to add he entices Raffensperger by saying he will be a hero for doing so.

 

He doesn't ask him to overlook anything.

That is the exact opposite. He said if you find evidence of wrongdoing it has to be reported.
He also didn't say to find just enough votes to win. He said he won by hundreds of thousands of votes, which is many times more than necessary to flip the election.

I count it as 19 times that Trump and his people are saying they won by a substantial margin, talking about different categories where there were 900 votes like this or 24,149 votes like that, etc. and that if the accurate total were reported, he would win by many times over the reported loss. Statements made before and after the oft quoted find the votes line. To me, that shows the context of the line is simply that Trump wants him to look at all these claimed irregularites and see that they will get to 11,780 (enough to flip the election) which is sufficient, but then keep going. There are a few pleasantries after the end, but the final substantive bit is that he just want's the truth.

 

It's not just the transcript that damns him. You can reimagine it anyway you want to suit what you want to believe, but all the other things I mention clearly show he was trying to overturn the election in his favor.

What you are doing is showing exactly how democracy can end in this country yet people like yourself will blindly believe otherwise so you can keep living in the bubble. Just like many Russians claim they live in a democracy lol. It's ridiculous.

 

No Republican ever changes their mind!!!! Or what they say! It's not like they ripped Trump apart before they loved him and became loyal soldiers!

 

I didn't need to imagine or re-imagine anything, I quoted it directly.

Yep, clearly we don't live in a Democracy, we are just like Russia, where Putin has been in office as either President or Prime Minister since 1999.

 

Like I said, then you should have no issues with having the large cities, turning their vote in first.